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PartridgeCartridge

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3 pumps and a quiver!

Another one of Tim's victims confesses...

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tmoneysju

PC,

Its called "Owning" a bird. Some here know what that means.

I think I can define this:

bang bang

"gimme more shells"...

bang bang bang...

"more shells"

bang bang bang....

"shells"

bang bang....

"get in the cart, we're heading back to the truck for more ammo"

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Cooter Brown

PC,

You've done a good job explaining the mechanics of this clearly.

The one thing I'm not clear on is this statement:

"...start to roll onto your front foot slowly..."

Are you talking about a step towards the target with the off foot?

Thanks for taking the time to put this together.

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PartridgeCartridge

PC,

You've done a good job explaining the mechanics of this clearly.

The one thing I'm not clear on is this statement:

"...start to roll onto your front foot slowly..."

Are you talking about a step towards the target with the off foot?

Thanks for taking the time to put this together.

Well, we are getting a little ahead of where I wanted this to go but let me explain the theory.

Your hands and your eyes work together to put the gun subconsciously into the target line. The most efficient way to do this is by making a small but subtle forward roll into your mount.

This concept is also known as stabbing. Stabbing is probably not a good descriptive but the essence of the move is to  move your hands (stabbing slowly) toward the leading edge of an object.

In order to effect this movement you must make a slight transfer of weight onto your leading (offhand) foot. By making this weight transfer (about a 60/40 distribution), your head tends to remain upright, your eyes stay level (important) and your shoulders naturally move slightly forward into a maturing mount. When your mount matures, your upper body is essentially a turret that has cut off an object and now you can let your subconscious mind "feel" your forward allowance required and deliver a shot.

I would recommend that both your feet stay planted unless you need to change your center/balance mid flush, as can often happen. Then you must lift your rear foot slightly to pivot. Many good shooters do slightly lift their rear foot.

We are striving for better gameshooting here, not classic target work so footwork is KEY to balance in the field.

These small balancing movements are all part of a basic form.

In order to shoot consistently, you must be balanced and relaxed.

It sounds complicated but it is probably the most natural way for a human frame to mount a low gun.

Hope that explains it. If not, lets talk and you can hold a gun while I walk you thru it.

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Cooter Brown
Thanks PC.  I'm gonna read this over closely when I can get my hands on a gun and I'll let you know if I need any more clarification,

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bigjohnsd
3 pumps and a quiver!

Another one of Tim's victims confesses...

OOOOOhhhhhh that "hurts"

Left myself "wide open" for that one. :(

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PartridgeCartridge
OOOOOhhhhhh that "hurts"

Two confessions in one day John?

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bigjohnsd
:angry:  :angry:  :angry:  @#&^%%$ %^&(()%$#@  *&^$@!#$%^&  ^$%$#%^**^%   #$%X$%#@@%  :down:  :down:  

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bigjohnsd
Some days it doesn't pay to get up, now back to the "cutting off" concept -  :D

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PartridgeCartridge
Left myself "wide open"

Well, what were you thinking? He has always been an "any port in a storm" kinda guy.

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Ben

Pc, a couple of questions.  I have been useing this form of shooting for about 2 years now.  I have come a long way and shoot much better. A few 25s at skeetand my best year on grouse yet.

  I am left handed.  The amount that I insert in(cut off) the target varies whether it is high house or low house( also right or left flying game birds).   I have worked on foot posission, body posission, and tried to move faster on the right to left targets.  No matter what I have tried so far, I must lead (insert or cut off) the targets much farther when shooting the right to left targets.  I understand that lead (sight picture) is a matter of perseption in the minds eye.  Both directions when I am at the propper lead, the target seams to stop in mid air. This is when I pull the trigger.  

   When moving left to right it feels natural to insert on the frount lip of the bird and pull away.  But when moving right to left i must insert ahead of the target at the propper lead.  It doesn't feel natural to insert on the frount lip and pull away. I almost allways shoot beind when trying this.  

  I hope I am describing this propperly.  I would like to be able to see the same sight picture both directions, or feel comfortable doing the same things.  Am I doing someting wrong or is this a perseption (brain) or coordination, or eye dominence thing?  I do ok like this, am just wondering if there is a better way.

Ben

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Chukarman
...We are striving for better gameshooting here, not classic target work so footwork is KEY to balance in the field.

These small balancing movements are all part of a basic form.

In order to shoot consistently, you must be balanced and relaxed.

PC, I can see that you have never done any chukar hunting...

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Hunshatt
PC, I can see that you have never done any chukar hunting...

:oops:  

smurf, if your lucky there's an invitation in that someplace.

I already got shot down to host Ted, and I think Tommy as well :down:  :<img src=:'> for next season

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PartridgeCartridge
Pc, a couple of questions.  I have been useing this form of shooting for about 2 years now.  I have come a long way and shoot much better. A few 25s at skeetand my best year on grouse yet.

  I am left handed.  The amount that I insert in(cut off) the target varies whether it is high house or low house( also right or left flying game birds).   I have worked on foot posission, body posission, and tried to move faster on the right to left targets.  No matter what I have tried so far, I must lead (insert or cut off) the targets much farther when shooting the right to left targets.  I understand that lead (sight picture) is a matter of perseption in the minds eye.  Both directions when I am at the propper lead, the target seams to stop in mid air. This is when I pull the trigger.  

   When moving left to right it feels natural to insert on the frount lip of the bird and pull away.  But when moving right to left i must insert ahead of the target at the propper lead.  It doesn't feel natural to insert on the frount lip and pull away. I almost allways shoot beind when trying this.  

  I hope I am describing this propperly.  I would like to be able to see the same sight picture both directions, or feel comfortable doing the same things.  Am I doing someting wrong or is this a perseption (brain) or coordination, or eye dominence thing?  I do ok like this, am just wondering if there is a better way.

Ben

Ben,

Diagnosing your shooting without actually seeing it is almost impossible. But I'll take a stab at it. I need some more info first.

Do you shoot left handed and are you left eye dominant? Do you shoot with both eyes open? Is your vision corrected?

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charlo slim
........ PC, I can see that you have never done any chukar hunting...

Maybe, maybe not, obviously I have no idea.  

But... I'd just about bet that striving for proper form (or getting as close as possible to it) when the situation makes it most difficult is when the additional effort will pay the greatest dividends.  Uneven terrain. Shooting from a sitting position with legs extended forward as in layout blind shooting. Those are the sorts of situations where attaining ideal form can seem almost impossible... but whatever form improvement you can make in that kind of situation is crucial IMO.  

I used the term "strive for" earlier.... but that is maybe something of a misnomer.  When this stuff gets imbedded properly in one's brain, you are not really "striving" for anything.... except seeing the bird and shooting it.  The rest of it sortof gets to be almost patterned in the brain and just "happens".  And it "happens" amazingly fast... even though you are not really rushing (maybe even BECAUSE you are not really rushing).

PC -- I had only very brief exposure to this stuff, or something pretty similar, about 20 years ago (the payoff has been amazing, though I obviously could use alot of refreshing on it).  Anyway, don't hesitate for an instant to call BS on anything I'm adding here that detracts from the path you are describing for folks.

Good job.

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