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      TO THOSE REGISTERING FOR MEMBERSHIP ON UJ   01/06/2018

      To the Guests who have decided to register for Membership. PLEASE read Terms of Service, not just checking it off. This is covered there: Add more info than just "hunting" or "Upland hunting" or "birds" or "outdoors" or similar nebulous terms in the required INTERESTS field. Despite this Boards strong spam filtering function, some Spam registrations do sneak through. I need an inkling that you are a human being not a Spam Bot tagging onto key words. Also please do not use a business name as your User Name. Thank you.
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Hunshatt

OMG, Wow, what a bunch of BS. if that is how you feel, maybe you should move to one of those "First World" countries and hunt.  Since you generally speak of wanting to shoot driven pen raised birds, that is probably all you will get there.

Have you done much hunting out of country? Bird or big game? just wondering... cause it doesn't really sound like it

and I will need pictures ...  :D  :<img src=:'>  :<img src=:'>

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PartridgeCartridge
I do think it is alarming that many have this cavalier attitude about competency. From a world view perspective, many countries require extensive testing for competency, not only in shooting but also in game management and species biology.

Many enlightened first world countries see this as a huge ethical responsibilty for the privilege to hunt. Yet we, in the USA, seem to think that those laws should not apply to us and that we somehow have a right to hunt. Which we don't.

In fact, our hunter training/safety training/forearms training to get a hunting license in this country is a joke and the brunt of many other country's humor. You do realize that by simply passing a hunter safety course, you are granted the privelege of playing god with a firearm for which you may have no formal training whatsoever.

OMG, Wow, what a bunch of BS. if that is how you feel, maybe you should move to one of those "First World" countries and hunt.  Since you generally speak of wanting to shoot driven pen raised birds, that is probably all you will get there.

As far as wounded and crippled game, all I can speak for is game that I harvest and you have no idea what you are talking about.  One major reason I hunt with dogs is that is there job to find cripples.  Another is to point and hold the birds so that an easy shot can be made.

Sorry KBD. I wasn't refering to you. I'm quite sure you are an exceptional shot at both game and clays and that your dogs are the best.

I bet your prowess with a centerfire rifle is legendary as well.

Some guys are legendary shots without ever once needing to practice. I get that.

My apologies. I'm sure you are one of them.

Again, sorry.

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Kansas Big Dog
OMG, Wow, what a bunch of BS. if that is how you feel, maybe you should move to one of those "First World" countries and hunt.  Since you generally speak of wanting to shoot driven pen raised birds, that is probably all you will get there.

Have you done much hunting out of country? Bird or big game? just wondering... cause it doesn't really sound like it

and I will need pictures ...  :D  :<img src=:'>  :<img src=:'>

Not out side the USA, and I really have no plans to.

Have you hunted anywhere outside New England in the USA?

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Kansas Big Dog

I do think it is alarming that many have this cavalier attitude about competency. From a world view perspective, many countries require extensive testing for competency, not only in shooting but also in game management and species biology.

Many enlightened first world countries see this as a huge ethical responsibilty for the privilege to hunt. Yet we, in the USA, seem to think that those laws should not apply to us and that we somehow have a right to hunt. Which we don't.

In fact, our hunter training/safety training/forearms training to get a hunting license in this country is a joke and the brunt of many other country's humor. You do realize that by simply passing a hunter safety course, you are granted the privelege of playing god with a firearm for which you may have no formal training whatsoever.

OMG, Wow, what a bunch of BS. if that is how you feel, maybe you should move to one of those "First World" countries and hunt.  Since you generally speak of wanting to shoot driven pen raised birds, that is probably all you will get there.

As far as wounded and crippled game, all I can speak for is game that I harvest and you have no idea what you are talking about.  One major reason I hunt with dogs is that is there job to find cripples.  Another is to point and hold the birds so that an easy shot can be made.

Sorry KBD. I wasn't refering to you. I'm quite sure you are an exceptional shot at both game and clays and that your dogs are the best.

I bet your prowess with a centerfire rifle is legendary as well.

Some guys are legendary shots without ever once needing to practice. I get that.

My apologies. I'm sure you are one of them.

Again, sorry.

Actually, I am a pitiful at clays.   :down:

I do shoot skeet ok as it more resembles the types of shots I take hunting.

As far as rifles, I do think practice is very beneficial.  Peace brother.

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valuman

I would like to be a better shot but don't have the time, opportunity or the right gun for breaking clay on the course. While practice certainly can't hurt, I don't agree that you need to be able to break clays with a hundred different presentations in order to kill pointed grouse and woodcock consistently.

It also sucks that my eyes just don't work the same way they used to.

:down:  :down:  :down:

All that said, I'll take instruction from an expert when the opportunity presents and I'll look for the holy grail shotgun that allows me to break clays like one, myself. Why not? It beats working.

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PartridgeCartridge
Have you hunted anywhere outside New England in the USA?

Ugh.

I'm not quite sure how to answer that. Do you mean for birds or other game?

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Kansas Big Dog
Have you hunted anywhere outside New England in the USA?

Ugh.

I'm not quite sure how to answer that. Do you mean for birds or other game?

That was really directed at Timmy, I know you have hunted elsewhere in the US.

Just as I am aware of the hunting cultures and ethics in other countries.  I much prefer ours here in the US and strongly suggest that even though ours is not perfect, it is much superior to most around the globe.

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Hunshatt
OMG, Wow, what a bunch of BS. if that is how you feel, maybe you should move to one of those "First World" countries and hunt.  Since you generally speak of wanting to shoot driven pen raised birds, that is probably all you will get there.

Have you done much hunting out of country? Bird or big game? just wondering... cause it doesn't really sound like it

and I will need pictures ...  :D  :<img src=:'>  :<img src=:'>

Not out side the USA, and I really have no plans to.

Have you hunted anywhere outside New England in the USA?

yup... as a youngster I chased wild  long tails in Wi, and  various upland birds in Wa as well as big game there and Co... I guess you'd forgotten I spent a long amount of time  in England, rough shooting the landlords pheasants and woods pigeon, as well as the birds on the RAF's rod and gun club... and a little shooting in Germany, while I was there for University... I almost for got the Ca quail, while my dad was stationed there, and the quail and doves in Tx....

yea, I've been a place or 3, other than New England ...

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Bonasa
Too much estrogen on this thread...  :D

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Hunshatt
Too much estrogen on this thread...  :D

:glare: keep it up and that package I've been too lazy to get in the mail will wait a few more months........  :<img src=:'>  :<img src=:'>  :p

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Jazz4Brazo
Oh sure...now you want to bring my dog into this  :down:

no... actually I'd just as soon you left them home... plenty of dogs in the north country to go around....  :<img src=:'>

I would Ifin I ever got a friggin invite...just sayin  ???  :laugh:

Although gentlemen like Al, and Ted, and Paul, and Steve and...even let me bring my inferior mutts with me and never pointed out all their flaws (and they have many given i suck at training as much as shooting  :down: )

I had a chance at a real dawg once...kinda...maybe  :devil:

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DennisMcFeely
Being "concerned and scared" about those who don't, suggesting they don't care, are unethical or somehow slobbish hunters because they supposedly cripple and lose birds and then dismissing them from the discussion is simply counterproductive, unfortunate, and unnecessary IMO.

I couldn't agree more Brad, what a diiiiiick.  Thanks for having the stones to stand up to that guy for the rest of us.

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PartridgeCartridge

I'm not disparaging all the help and instruction Dave has provided and continues to provide UJ members. His generosity and enthusiasm and skill for improving shotgun shooting isn't in question. He does this independently, and I occasionally get a donation directly related to Dave's instructing a member

Yes you are Brad. You are defintely breaking my balls here.

And I have to wonder why. I've encouraged dozens of members to contribute and they have. You also reap the benefit of those renewed subscriptions every year and help you at the same time.

Yet, you still publically bust my balls and treat me like a red headed stepchild for your own amusement and because I'm simply trying to, yet again, get members involved in the shooting aspect of our sport.

I've disparaged no one here. You have done your best to critique me in a less than favorable light at every opportunity. I've spent hundreds of hours helping UJ'ers to help themselves and ,you, in return.

I'm done with that shiit.

Thanks Dennis. I always knew I could rely on your support.

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Bonasa
I'm not disparaging all the help and instruction Dave has provided and continues to provide UJ members. His generosity and enthusiasm and skill for improving shotgun shooting isn't in question. He does this independently, and I occasionally get a donation directly related to Dave's instructing a member

".... treat me like a red headed stepchild for your own amusement...

Thanks Dennis. I always knew I could rely on your support."

Hey, zombie breath - please leave redheads out of this...

And you're right, Dennis has all the loyalty of the French after you save their ass.   :D

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bosco mctavitch
I can't shoot for ****, but I love the birds--I hunt a retriever.  Anything less is disrespectful to the game.  :blues:

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