Jump to content
FRIENDLY REMINDER ABOUT HUNTING REPORTS/TOPICS... Read more... ×
Anohaakten

Fair Iside SxS 20 Gauge. Took the plunge.

Recommended Posts

Anohaakten

I feel as though it might be "grippier"?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Anohaakten

This article is also pretty informative. Sounds like they have a pretty good trigger as well, as stated in the article "The trigger was a gem with smooth and predictable draw that averaged a lovely 3½ pounds of pull. You would be hard pressed to find a nicer trigger on a bird gun costing twice the price."

 

http://www.shotgunlife.com/shotguns/guns/a-side-by-side-called-iside-heralds-the-return-of-italian-gunmaker-f-a-i-r-to-the-u-s.html

 

Also, it looks like the frames are made of a solid block of steel (stronger) rather than the lightweight aluminum alloys and are still able to maintain the lightweight. As stated in the article, " All models are built around the company’s demi-bloc barrel coupling system. The coupling system and Iside compact box lock action serve up a lightweight shotgun without the use of aluminum alloys."

 

"The side-by-side shotguns are available in 12, 16, 20, 28 and .410 gauges and each boasts its own dedicated, rounded steel frame"

 

http://www.guns.com/2017/10/28/italian-firearms-arms-group-iside/

 

Also, screw in chokes sometimes allow for the barrels to bulge at the end. Not the case with this side by side. As stated in the article "The barrels are joined with a solid rib and accept a standard cross-section of thin-walled, screw-in choke tubes. No sign of swollen, threaded muzzles on this Iside and the Iside balances right at the hinge pin where it should."

 

https://gunsmagazine.com/small-bore-heaven/

 

These are all articles that I have found in my research. Good stuff.

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Auto-5
8 hours ago, ThreeDogs said:

I like the gun but hate the skip line checkering. Gag me with a spoon maybe a gun smith can fix it?

There is that. I’m not a skip line fan myself but other than that detail it’s a nice looking pkg.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Sage Hen

Anohaakten, I think you are going to like this gun. I'll be watching for pictures and a report.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Larry Brown

FAIR hasn't really been gone.  Just its name faded away for a few years, but not the guns.  The Cortona shotguns are FAIRs.  Jim Austin at New England Arms likely deserves the credit for introducing this maker (under its own name) to the American market.  NEA imported several FAIR models, but they were all OU's.  The general evaluation seemed to be good guns, not quite up to B. Rizzini quality, but not at B. Rizzini price either.  When NEA went out of business, Cabela's bought their FAIR inventory, and there were some really good prices on FAIR OU's for awhile.  I owned a couple and never had any issues with them.  The guns were all on gauge-specific frames.  The standard NEA FAIR double had a round knob, vent rib, and single selective trigger.  But straight/splinter/solid rib were all available as options.  I don't think they were making sxs at that time.  Good to see that they are now.  Will be interesting to hear how people like them.  The prices are certainly attractive.  Good to hear about the nice trigger pulls.

 

The only thing I saw in one article that bothered me:  15 1/2" length of pull to the front trigger?  That's going to be too long for most people.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
salmontogue
10 hours ago, ThreeDogs said:

I like the gun but hate the skip line checkering. Gag me with a spoon maybe a gun smith can fix it?

 

Skip line was popular on some JP Sauer guns.  It grows on you and not like a fungus.

 

Perk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
salmontogue

FAIR made shotguns under the Weatherby trade name for a number of years.

 

Perk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Anohaakten

Interesting little write up I found regarding F.A.I.R. (Isadoro Rizzini) shotguns:

 

There are four different firearms manufacturers by the name of Rizzini. The people who founded those companies (and, in most cases, still operate them) are all related, but their companies are independent. This article is an attempt to help shooters figure out which gun is made by which company.

To Make a Long Story Short

For those who don’t want to wade through all the details, I will list the four Rizzinis, in order by quality from highest to lowest. Any of these companies are probably capable of making guns to a wide range of quality levels and prices, but this ranking reflects my opinion (though others may differ) of the average quality of the guns commonly seen in the USA.

F.lli Rizzini make only high quality, custom made shotguns and rifles. 

B. Rizzini produces the guns imported to the US by Rizzini USA, and previously by Sigarms (Sig Rizzini and Sigarms SA5)

I. Rizzini is better known as F.A.I.R., and makes guns sold under that name and also made the O/U guns sold under the Verona name.

E. Rizzini was formerly an independent company, but the E. Rizzini line of guns is now produced by the firm of Fausti Stefano.

And Now the Details
All of the gunmaking Rizzinis are closely related. Battista, Isadoro, and Emilio are brothers, and they are nephews of Guido and his brothers who founded F.lli Rizzini. The Rizzinis are also related to the Guerini and Fausti families of gunmakers. They are all located in the Val Trompia region of Italy.

F.lli Rizzini The name means “Rizzini Brothers”, and the company’s web site says it was founded in 1971 by Guido Rizzini and his brothers, but the other brothers are not identified. From this fact I assume that Guido is the only brother still involved in the company. They make up to 25 guns per year (or up to 15, depending on who you believe). The cheapest gun by this maker is about $55,000 plus the cost of engraving. It would be easy to pay $100,000 for an engraved gun by F.lli Rizzini.

Before the Rizzini brothers established themselves as makers of only the highest quality guns, they collaborated with Rinaldo Zoli to produce guns of much lower cost, known as Zoli Rizzini. (I don't know anything about Rinaldo, but he is probably related to Antonio Zoli, whose company is still in business, and Angelo Zoli, now out of business.) That operation came to an end in 1971, the same year F.lli Rizzini was founded. Used Zoli Rizzinis sell in the range of $500 to $4500, depending on model and gauge (and of course, condition).

The Rizzini brothers are uncles of Battista, Isadoro, and Emilio Rizzini.

Company web site: 
http://www.fllirizzini.it/
Importer: http://www.williamlarkinmoore.com/index1.html

B. Rizzini The company's advertising material claims that B. Rizzini is "The Original Rizzini". I suppose that claim must be justified by the fact that it was founded in 1965, before any of the other Rizzini companies that are still in operation. However, Battista Rizzini's uncles were in the arms-making business before they founded their company, F.lli Rizzini.

The company makes O/U shotguns and double rifles in a variety of models and grades, in medium-to-high quality and price ranges. In the past their guns have been imported to the USA by William Larkin Moore, New England Arms Corp, and Sigarms, and they are now imported by Rizzini USA.

The background on Rizzini USA is an interesting story in itself. Much of what follows is scuttlebutt and therefore may not be completely accurate, but it comes from what I consider to be reliable sources so I'm sure most of it is correct. Rizzini made a model distributed by Sig and known as the Sig SA5 (but not the Sig SA3) and later (beginning about 2000) produced several models generally referred to as Sig Rizzini. Based on Sig's projection of how many guns they could sell, Battista Rizzini invested in computer-controlled machine tools capable of a high production rate. Unfortunately, Sig's orders from Rizzini were a small fraction of what Battista expected, and their contract did not specify a minimum that Sig had to take. As a result, by 2003 Battista had to find another way to sell guns in order to generate the volume it took to pay for the tooling.

Enter Rich Cole, of Cole Gunsmithing. I don't know the details, but Rich and Battista formed some sort of partnership and founded Rizzini USA to import and distribute a line of guns that were based on the same action as used in the Sig line, but included more models and options. Rizzini USA initially operated out of Cole's building and Cole Gunsmithing was the official factory service center and custom shop, as well as one of the retail dealers for Rizzini USA. As a result of a disagreement between Rich Cole and Battista Rizzini over business practices, Cole has now completely separated himself from Rizzini USA, they have moved to a new location, and Rich sold off the remaining Rizzini inventory held by Cole Gunsmithing. Since Cole is no longer the factory-authorized service center, they cannot honor Rizzini USA warranties, and Rizzini USA has made other service arrangements. However, I think Rich might provide warranty service on Rizzinis that Cole Gunsmithing sold at retail (I have not confirmed this with Rich), and as a general gunsmith he will do non-warranty work on guns they did not retail.

In the meantime, Sig got really ticked at Battista Rizzini for bypassing them and going with Cole, and they didn't like having to compete against Rizzini USA. Therefore they dropped the Rizzini line and sold off their remaining inventory, largely through CDNN. However, Sig will continue to honor warranties still in effect on Sig Rizzinis (although as far as I know neither Cole nor Rizzini USA will honor Sig's warranties). The Sig Rizzinis are so similar to the guns distributed by Rizzini USA that parts for them should not be a problem.

Battista Rizzini's company has been very successful in recent years. So successful, he recently bought Ferlib, a very small manufacturer of high-quality, hand-crafted, expensive shotguns. Ivano Tanfoglio, former owner of Ferlib, has collaborated with Battista in such projects as Rizzini's round-body game gun. 

The Guerini brothers (I don't know their first names) worked for their Uncle Battista Rizzini for some years and were credited (by some people in the industry) with a large share of the success of the company. The scuttlebutt has it that they decided to ask Battista to allow them to invest in the company and eventually own a share of it. Within minutes after broaching the subject, they found themselves out the door and out of a job. Battista himself is nearing retirement age, but he has a couple of children who might take over the company. The scuttlebutt is that he is grooming his daughter Moira to take over.

It was widely reported that the Guerini brothers were both shocked and hurt by Battista's action, because they felt a genuine affection for their uncle. (I know, that sounds like the Guerini side of it - every story has two sides.) But life goes on, and they needed to make a living, so they secured financial backing to go into business for themselves, naming their company Caesar Guerini, after one of their ancestors. They have been quite successful in competing with their uncle.

Rizzini (Italy) 
http://www.rizzini.it

Rizzini USA http://www.rizziniusa.com/index.htm

Cole Gunsmithing http://www.colegun.com/

Ferlib http://www.ferlib.com/

Caesar Guerini (Italy) http://www.caesarguerini.com/

Caesar Guerini USA http://www.gueriniusa.com/index.html

I. Rizzini (F.A.I.R.) The company was founded in 1971 by Isadoro Rizzini, a brother of Battista and Emilio Rizzini. Originally named Fabbrica Armi Isidoro Rizzini, it was later called F.A.I.R. Tecni-Mec I. Rizzini and is now named F.A.I.R. S.r.l. At one time they were imported to the US by New England Arms Corp, but I’m not sure what the importation arrangement is now, for the guns bearing the F.A.I.R. brand. For several years BC Outdoors imported and distributed them under the brand name of Verona. (Verona semi-automatics were not made by F.A.I.R.) BC Outdoors recently stopped distributing them, and the last report I had is that F.A.I.R. is looking for a new importer, but it is not clear (to me, anyway) whether the new importer will use the Verona name or the F.A.I.R. name. As I write this (Feb 16, 2005) there is a rumor going around that the new "Milano" O/U shotguns by Savage are made by F.A.I.R., although they may be higher grades than the guns formerly sold by BC Outdoors as Veronas.

Update 2/20/06: It seems certain now that The Savage Milano is made by F.A.I.R. and they are higher grades than the Veronas. Cabela's Gun Library is selling a large batch of F.A.I.R. guns from New England Arms, apparently liquidating their remaining inventory. It would seem that Savage thus becomes the sole source of F.A.I.R.'s in the US.

Like most manufacturers, F.A.I.R. is capable of making guns to a variety of quality and price levels. The Verona guns are relatively inexpensive, but have a reputation for being a good value for the money. Some of the F.A.I.R. branded guns are of higher cost and quality than the Veronas, but on average they are considered to be of lower quality than those made by B. Rizzini.

F.A.I.R. (Italy) 
http://www.fair.it/

E. Rizzini The company was founded in 1974 by Emilio Rizzini, brother of Battista and Isadoro Rizzini. I believe Emilio must be either deceased or retired now, and his company no longer exists as a separate entity. Emilio’s son, Fabio, is married to Barbara Fausti, one of the 3 sisters who manage the company founded by their father Stefano Fausti, and since 1999 the E. Rizzini line of guns has been produced and distributed by Fausti.

The E. Rizzini guns are imported by Tristar Sporting Arms, LTD. which seems to use the Tristar name primarily, while barely acknowledging that the Tristar O/U’s are made by Rizzini. Traditions Performance Firearms imports the Fausti line, and previously imported the E. Rizzini line. As far as I can tell, Traditions no longer handles the E. Rizzini guns.

The quality and price of E. Rizzini guns seems to overlap with the lower and mid range of F.A.I.R. guns. It appears to me that the E. Rizzini line does not include anything that is directly comparable to the higher grade F.A.I.R. guns, and therefore I judge the average quality to be lower, although some individual models may be just as good as the comparably-priced FAIR’s.

Fausti 
http://www.faustistefanoarms.com/

Tristar http://www.tristarsportingarms.com/

Traditions http://www.traditionsfirearms.com/index.asp

 

 

Reference:

 

http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=113&t=69662

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Cold Iron

I'm not sure that FAIR made shotguns for Weatherby, or if they did when. Weatherby started in Italy with Zoli then went to Japan for its O\U guns. Then they went back to Italy for O\U and SxS guns using Fausti to the best of my knowledge. 

 

After NEA a company named B.C. Outdoors in Nevada imported FAIR guns under the brand name Verona. They sold a lot of them, all with pistol grips there are more FAIR guns in this country with pistol grips than POW grips. There were a lot of models at varying price points all under the LX label. LX500, 501, 502, 503, 504, 505, 680, 680 Gold Sporting Clays, 692, 702 and I probably forget some. Most of the big box sporting goods stores sold them including Cabelas toward the end. 

 

11025836_1.jpg?v=8CE3D172718D6A0

 

verona-1-jpg.328619

 

The LX980 was made by Zoli and a trap model.

 

wm_7443619.jpg

 

Many of the Verona guns had some outstanding wood on them. And some as plain as a fence post too of course.

 

After BC Outdoors went under they sold remaining inventory through CDNN and they went fast. The 16 ga. guns were gone in a couple of days.

 

Right after that must be 2007 Savage used FAIR to import the Milano with a pistol grip. They didn't last long and twice the price of the Verona guns. For the same guns. Around the same time Kalispell Case Line in Washington State imported from FAIR as the Cortona, in this case with POW grips. Been pretty quiet on the FAIR front until IFG started bringing them in down in Texas a few years ago.

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
salmontogue
1 hour ago, Cold Iron said:

I'm not sure that FAIR made shotguns for Weatherby, or if they did when. Weatherby started in Italy with Zoli then went to Japan for its O\U guns. Then they went back to Italy for O\U and SxS guns using Fausti to the best of my knowledge. 

 

After NEA a company named B.C. Outdoors in Nevada imported FAIR guns under the brand name Verona. They sold a lot of them, all with pistol grips there are more FAIR guns in this country with pistol grips than POW grips. There were a lot of models at varying price points all under the LX label. LX500, 501, 502, 503, 504, 505, 680, 680 Gold Sporting Clays, 692, 702 and I probably forget some. Most of the big box sporting goods stores sold them including Cabelas toward the end. 

 

11025836_1.jpg?v=8CE3D172718D6A0

 

verona-1-jpg.328619

 

The LX980 was made by Zoli and a trap model.

 

wm_7443619.jpg

 

Many of the Verona guns had some outstanding wood on them. And some as plain as a fence post too of course.

 

After BC Outdoors went under they sold remaining inventory through CDNN and they went fast. The 16 ga. guns were gone in a couple of days.

 

Right after that must be 2007 Savage used FAIR to import the Milano with a pistol grip. They didn't last long and twice the price of the Verona guns. For the same guns. Around the same time Kalispell Case Line in Washington State imported from FAIR as the Cortona, in this case with POW grips. Been pretty quiet on the FAIR front until IFG started bringing them in down in Texas a few years ago.

 

 

 

My best memory is that FAIR made for Weatherby for a short time before Fausti made for Weatherby.  I will search my "archives" for the years involved.  If you recall, NEA (ME company) had some kind of trouble with the BATF.  I remember that well because it was big stuff in the Portland Press Herald for quite some time.  I believe it was after that incident that Weatherby, who at the time also manufactured in ME, briefly sold FAIR products under their trade name.  You are correct that Weatherby had a more lengthy relationship with Fausti after that.

 

There is also a NEA Group in Ontario, Canada that is unrelated to any of this.

 

Perk

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Anohaakten

Just wanted to make a quick post. Got the shotgun. It feels excellent, nice and tight. Beautiful gun, pulls up perfectly for me. Balances right on the hinge pin. It was everything that was promised/discussed previously and then some. I will get better pictures up sometime next week when I bust out my DSLR camera.

It does weigh 5 pounds 8 ounces on my scale.

 

 

20171227_184857.jpg

 

20171227_185151.jpg

 

20171227_185145.jpg

 

20171227_185114.jpg

 

20171227_184851.jpg

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Windrider

It sounds like you can order one with your stock measurements.  Heaven for a lefty.

 

I will probably be ordering one myself in the near future.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Don Steese

That's a heck of a fine looking shotgun! Enjoy!!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Marc Ret
1 hour ago, Anohaakten said:

Just wanted to make a quick post. Got the shotgun. It feels excellent, nice and tight. Beautiful gun. I will get pictures up sometime next week when I bust out my DSLR camera.

It does weigh 5 pounds 8 ounces on my scale.

 

What are you guys using to upload pictures? I am trying drop box and it won't let me attach it in the "Insert other media" -----> "Insert image from URL".

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/nlh96e60e0kgrgo/20171227_184857.jpg?dl=0

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7crum4my0pgt9ie/20171227_185151.jpg?dl=0

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/h3xdrg762hj29kn/20171227_185145.jpg?dl=0

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/5nmf2oobubukjot/20171227_185114.jpg?dl=0

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/26btng46msi8abd/20171227_184851.jpg?dl=0

 

Nice socks! Gun doesn't look too shabby either. 

 

Jpg.box works with this site. Photos are even easier for "Contributing Members". Just upload directly from your computer/tablet/phone. Maybe you could get FAIR to sponsor you for plugging their guns.😉

 

Enjoy your new 20ga.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
ThreeDogs

Can you order one without skip line checkering?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Please sign in to comment

You will be able to leave a comment after signing in



Sign In Now

×