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VAGrouse

I’m going to propose something radical here; we could always wait to see what that traditionalist or catalogue model’s attitude is in person before passing judgment.  A novel idea, I know….

I’ve seen guys wearing rags and using dime store gear that were phenomenal on the stream and as humble and down-to-earth as you’d ever want to see, and I’ve seen guys wearing rags and using dime store gear who couldn’t catch a fish if their life depended on it, yet they thought they were the cat’s pajamas.  The same holds true for guys who looked like they stepped out of an Orvis catalogue; some were exceptional men and fishermen, others piss-poor representatives of humanity.

What I said earlier.... but much better. :D

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Brad Eden
Thank God I've been identified as a bumpkin. I was afraid I might be a snob. I might wear an Orvis vest but I always have a ziploc in the back pocket.

Guess what's for dinner tonight. Trout and fiddleheads.

I like bumpkins. I'm one myself.

I envy those trout and fiddleheads. It will be awhile til I enjoy the same.

Now, if you eat dandilion greens than you are past a bumpkin. :<img src=:'>

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Uplander
Now, if you eat dandilion greens than you are past a bumpkin. :<img src=:'>

I have a recipe for dandy-lion wine floatin’ around somewheres…

:upside:

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A snap shot at a grouse in full flight, made in a split second as the bird dissolves in the November woods, is an extremely difficult way to kill that grouse.  The difficulty challenges skill of a high order; the acquisition and exercise of that art are the essence of the sporting appeal of that particular kill.

**Howard T. Walden**

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Guest

john,

doesnt matter to me if someone has new or old, so long as it works.

my real pet peeve which has no relationship to the size of ones bank account, is the understanding of the etiquette.  

in bird hunting, you can be new, but you better know safety. you better know that you dont shoot across someone, dont hog their birds,  dont correct their dog, etc.

in fly fishing, you dont crowd someone when the whole stream or beach is open.  you keep moving and dont hog a spot, and you never cast over someone else's line....etc.

personally, i love gear and save my money, (used to literally be pennies), to buy good gear.  most stuff that i buy, i check to make sure i can sell for a decent buck should i want to trade up.  

will never forget my first abel reel, i skipped lunch for 3 months and cut back a little on my weekend beer money saving for it.

if someone feels it to be appropriate to look down on me, or make an offhand comment about what i own, so be it, thats their choice, but who is the snob  :)

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springerguy

Fred- that's what I was talking about in my first reply to this thread.  A man after my own heart.

Best wishes!

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BillyBoy

Brad,  

I meant it. I was really glad to be counted a bumpkin. It's what I've strived for all my life.  :p

Anyway, I take a BIG ziploc and freeze my fiddleheads. They don't freeze well, but it's still nice to have some for the winter.

And, BTW, at times I also carry a little aluminum worm box and a few meat hooks, just in case. Worms work!

John, I think most people who fly fish, or at least those who stick with it, started out dunkin' worms and just gradually discovered other types of fishing and finally settled on fly fishing as a favorite. That was my story, anyway. I love to catch any kind of fish, anywhere, anytime, and any old way is fun and fair (short of dynamite or rotenone), but if given the choice, I think it's more fun to catch 'em on a fly with a rod that's nice enough to cast and play fish in the most pleasurable way. While there are posers in any pastime, most fly fishermen are real fishermen who just love it, and very few are snobs. Some of the biggest bumpkins I know fish with a fly rod. :D

I'm with all those who have said that it's your character that counts. And your love of the sport.

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MattB

I tie my own flies, usually use a bamboo rod, have some nice waders, and will even be wearing a fancy bugless shirt this year, too. But I fish for me. I give others plenty of room, and try to go where they ain't. I couldn't care less about what anyone thinks of me, and what kind of equipment anyone else uses. However, if I see you using a cane rod, I'll probably ask you about it, just because I think they're neat.

I do find satisfaction in catching a fish on a fly I've tied myself. And tying in the winter is a very pleasant way to stay in touch with the sport when I can't be outside. And I profess to liking traditional flies and materials much more than new, synthetic ones. I will certainly use a chernobyl ant if necessary, but I'd rather use an adams.

Part of the attraction of this kind of stuff is the fact that fishing is mostly not catching. I just find a cane rod nicer to look at, and I like the fuller action. Casting (and really feeling it) is part of the fun for me. It makes not catching more enjoyable. I try to enjoy the whole of the acticity though, as it is in bird hunting, it's much more fun to actually encounter my prey than not.

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Dave Medema

I buy and use stuff that works.  Sometimes the label says Orvis, Simms, LL Bean, Carhardt, Browning, Scientific Anglers, etc.  If it does the job, it's good enough for me and don't really care what other people think about it.

Regarding other hunters and fishermen.  Regardless of what they own or wear, I can get a pretty good idea about them after watching them fish, shoot, or hunt for a little while.  Sometimes the guy with patched canvas waders and a garage sale rod is a gem of a person.  Sometimes the Orvis catalog guy is a gem.  And vice versa, they could both be idiots.  I don't care what they guy has.  I care who he is.  Cripes, I even enjoy hunting with guys shooting O/U's and chasing birds over a flushing dogs.  I even have a friend that fishes San Juan worms under a bobber.   :oops:

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Steve Van Dis
I don't care what they guy has.  I care who he is.  Cripes, I even enjoy hunting with guys shooting O/U's and chasing birds over a flushing dogs.  I even have a friend that fishes San Juan worms under a bobber.

Well let's not get carried away here  :p

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I gotta step in here, I use to guide for Orvis (not all of us are bad). Now I never had some elitist attitude about what other people were fishing or wearing. I always judged people on how many fish they were catching.If they were catching more than me then I would always buddy up with them :). I just got a great deal on the equipment so I usually looked more like the rich dude you have seen on the stream but I acted more like the normal person you meet in everyday life. The key is presentation; it does not matter if you are using a $2,000 setup or a $40.00 setup. If you can present the fly to the fish in a drag free drift you will catch fish. Funny thing is the fish don't care what you wear while you are fishing.

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Tango2

Ben Hong,

Some good comments.

I recall fishing in/around the Gagetown & Boisetown areas a number of yrs ago with some friends that guided and when I showed up with my fly fishing kit (ie. a "Cdn Tire Special"), I was abit nervous.

Suffice to say, it didn't make much difference as far as the fish were concerned........and I learned lots, had lots of laughs, and followed the day with up with a couple Schooner.......boy, I miss Cdn Tire.

Regards,

T2

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Guest
Interesting topic. I tie some of my own flies, but I also buy plenty of Wamart specials as well. I do alot of flyfishing for both trout and salmon, and its not always practical to tie all I use. As for guys with fancy gear, it seems to me I have seen many pictures on this board of guys with very expensive guns, vests, briarpants, boots and not to mention the dogs. I don't see anything snobby about buying nice gear. It lasts, and if you fish alot or hunt a lot, you want gear that lasts. As long as all us respect our rivers, our wilderness and our sports, then who cares about the rest. ???

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Tiger MT's Carter
Fly fishermen are the worst, been around them all my life. If you don't think so check out downtown Ennis Montana in August.

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