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BlacknTan

Spring traps, I mean??

 

I've always worked pups on planted birds in launchers before. This pup doesn't take to them. She'll point quail dizzied and thrown into cover, but won't work them in traps. She does not appear to be startled by the trap springing. Finally got strong flying birds, though.... 

 

She's only 17 months. I've experienced dogs that won't point pigeons in traps, but not quail. Anyone experience something similar?

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Timn

No I start all my pups with launchers.

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VizslavsBird

I've never used launches but wonder if the ones you are using could have a dog detectable odor stronger than the birds?

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Rick Hall

Might want to try baby socks:

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Wish I could give complete credit where due but learned this great trick from a fellow here on UJ who's either moved on or changed his user name.  Several such "launchers" fit handily into a bird bag pocket and are readily re-pocketed as you work them, saving a lot of both training time and storage space.

 

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forestdump

What does she do if she doesn’t point them? Get excited and bust right in? Walk right up to them?

 

if a dog doesn’t point birds in launchers I launch the birds immediately until they respect that the bird scent they are getting equals bird in the air unless they point it. 

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BlacknTan

She doesn't acknowledge the trap. I've seen this behavior before when a dog gets tired of working pigeons.

 

Dizzy the bird and throw it in the long grass, and everything is good...

 

I guess GBE didn't write "Troubles with Birddogs" for nuthin'..

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forestdump
9 hours ago, BlacknTan said:

She doesn't acknowledge the trap. I've seen this behavior before when a dog gets tired of working pigeons.

 

Dizzy the bird and throw it in the long grass, and everything is good...

 

I guess GBE didn't write "Troubles with Birddogs" for nuthin'..

 

Is she acknowledging the bird in the trap? Does she just run right by it or does she smell it then avoid the whole situation?

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Scott Berg

I hesitate to speculate having not seen this with my own eyes but I am guessing she knows its a set-up and is avoiding the situation. It's the equivalent of blinking a back.

 

SRB

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Quig

Once my dogs get into wild birds, they don’t seem to acknowledge pigeons 

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Craig Doherty
On 12/9/2018 at 4:39 PM, BlacknTan said:

Spring traps, I mean??

 

I've always worked pups on planted birds in launchers before. This pup doesn't take to them. She'll point quail dizzied and thrown into cover, but won't work them in traps. She does not appear to be startled by the trap springing. Finally got strong flying birds, though.... 

 

She's only 17 months. I've experienced dogs that won't point pigeons in traps, but not quail. Anyone experience something similar?

Get some feral pigeons and shoot a couple for the dog -- that should change her attitude towards the launchers.

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Urban_Redneck
On 1/3/2019 at 8:58 AM, Craig Doherty said:

Get some feral pigeons and shoot a couple for the dog -- that should change her attitude towards the launchers.

 

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Dogs can definitely go stale on a set up they've been corrected around a whole lot. 

 

You might try working steady to flush with the dog, shooting the bird when he stays put.

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DonT
On 1/3/2019 at 8:58 AM, Craig Doherty said:

Get some feral pigeons and shoot a couple for the dog -- that should change her attitude towards the launchers.

 

I'll add a twist you can try.  Spread out a few launchers and hunt the field with a steady dog and your pup.  Shoot and retrieve over the steady dog and praise him up while ignoring the pup.  Ideally the pup would be ahead and have just run by the launcher when the steady dog goes to work.  Or if you must, the steady dog is on point and as soon as the puppy goes by ignoring the bird you shoot over the steady dog.   Hard to have fun if your not in the game.  

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Don fischer

Whatever the problem is, you created it yourself. Just like those that have a dog that won't point pigeons, they created the problem themselves. The trap's have nothing to do with anything unless you let the pup get hit by one opening! Pup's haven't a clue what anything smells like until they have experienced it!

 

You put a pigeon in a trap and make it act like a wild bird and the problem never show's up! You have a dog that sour's on a pigeon and you soured the dog. To much enforced training and no learning! What do you expect from the pup? Pup does something you don;t like and God forbid you pop the bird and go on. Oh on, go correct the pup so it knows what you expect. You in the end may very well teach the pup to avoid the pigeon, bad thing's happen with them! Think about it!

 

Had a guy bring me a nice female GSP years ago. It was given to him by a game bird preserve. They told him he'd never get the dog to point, to much prey drive. Took about ten minutes and the dog was pointing. He came by after the season and said she was his best dog! Pay attention to what your training!

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1971snipe

Saw this just yesterday.  I'm trying to work on my two yr old dog's backing, so a buddy of mine brought his 9 yo gsp over, we put pr quail in a launcher, and I held my dog back out of sight, waiting for the old dog to point.  We waited and waited, and the gsp never got the scent.  We ended up omitting the launcher and just did the dizzy up and plant.  For curiosity we put a bird in the launcher for my dog and she went on point from 10' away.  The old dog?  No point on the launcher.  

By the way, my pup still will whoa if I say whoa, but she still won't back on her on.   

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Don fischer

I would not use the quail. Get some pigeon's that you can re-use. Fly away's if you know someone that has them or if you know where to catch some at night, do them. Use them then go back to the same place that night and they'll be back. 

 

Problem with quail is they may and may not fly for you. You need birds that will fly. Then sound's likr the 9 yr old if training bird set up wise. You can probably cure that with the pigeon and how you use them. When the old dog get's near the trap, pop the bird out to fly away. Hopefully within half a dozen bird's of so, it'll point again. Secret is to make the bird in the trap act like a wild bird! Once you have the older dog pointing again, turn the younger dog loose going to where it can see the other dog. Soon as it see's the other dog, pop the bird on it. If the younger dog is already pointing it won't take but a few time's and it will back on sight. The idea is to make the younger dog think it flushed the bird even though all it saw was the other dog. You can accomplish a lot with dog's if you make that bird in the trap act wild and if that bird in the trap come's out and fly's off! Pen raised birds you can train with, lot's of people do. But I quit them years ago in favor of pigeon's I can make act like wild bird's. The whole secret is making them act like wild birds. The draw back of training on wild bird's is they won't co-operate with you. With the pigeon in a trap you know where it is, you know where the air is so you know where to expect the dog to hit scent and from there you time it right and to the dog, it's just another wild bird!

 

Get some pigeon's and that older dog back and get it pointing and then bring on your younger dog to back. The older dog is showing you what happen's when a dog is sour on training bird's due to to much hands on. Learn from that and move away from it. The older dog is still gonna do what it's doing till it's had a bunch of those training bird's act wild. You make the rule's and he should come around a lot faster than you might think. 

 

Had a guy bring me a dog he was given by a preserve some years ago. Problem was they though the dog had to much prey drive and wouldn't point. But they were working the dog on released game farm birds and they simply were not wild enough and the dog caught to many. That was a hard dog to get going. As I recall it took 8 pigeon's in the trap's and the dog was pointing. Guy came by the next spring and told me it was his best dog the season before. Pay attention to what your training!

 

Old hunting friend came by with a new setter he'd bought as a started dog, another one that would not point. Well got the dog pointing on the fifth bird down, make the bird act wild, don't train, teach!

 

 

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