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DennyB
Wow, here we go again from the MI crowd.  Not only are the Wings the better team, they have more class because they didn't make the Pens wait to shake hands last year.  What a bunch of BULL$H!T !!!

Freakin Wings fans...can't find ANY fault with their own team so they jump all over the Pens for winning a Cup that "rightfully" belongs in the Joe with the morally and athletically superior team.  Give me a break whiners.

Sid played hard and was called a cheap-shot.  Then he was held up by his management and media interviews and is called classless for not being quick enough to the handshake line.  Then the refs made some bad calls against the Wings.  What a joke.  Typical Wings fans suddenly have amnesia and can't recall just one year ago as the Wings celebrated just as long and made the Pens wait for a handshake...not to mention the truth as cited by Trappercase about the Wings forgetting to shake hands several times in recent memory.

I'm glad the city of Detroit and the state of MI didn't get a championship.  Wings fans don't deserve it.  Wings fans deserve to sign Hossa for another few years.

OK Black Lab, as a die-hard Pens fan and yet still trying to maintain some composure after reading the nonsense from some, I mean SOME, of the Wings fans, I applaud your note.  Also, applaud Ben's response as well.  Appreciate and admire the class that some of the Wings fans in the UJ have displayed too.  Hope I maintained some level of decorum in this "open" forum.  Am afraid that I am about to lose it.

Wings fans, here it is.  Your team was outplayed and out hustled by a hungrier and determined, albeit less talented, Pens team.  BTW your Wings were not the "good guys"/gentlemen you all ceaselessly insisted they were during this series.  They took cheap shots when the could, they were yipping and yapping when behind.  Guess what?  They were acting just like a hockey team.  On the the other hand, the Pens are not goons, nor are they any cheaper, nor do they yip and yap more.  And guess what else?  They are substantially younger.  The 3 starting centers are 21, 22 & 20.  The goalie is 24.  Get used to seeing them because this is a team the NHL is going to latch onto whenever they can.  And unless you are a narrow-minded homer, the fact is, Sidney Crosby is going to be featured many times because the bigger fact is, he is a true Captain for his team and the face of the league.  Friendly suggestion:  Go PRINE-al -- turn off your TV, throw away your papers, move to the country because unless you do, you will hate the NHL's biggest star more and more.

So go ahead and call Crosby "sindy" because it clearly says one of 2 things about the writer:  1 - you are not smart enough to spell the name properly or 2 - you are not classy enough not disparage the opponent in public forum where there are many fans of different teams.  In the confines of your Wings chat room, go right on.  But openly trying to piss off your alleged like-minded fellow UJers is just really, really beneath you.

For those who kept writing that the Pens were inferior to Chicago and Washington, we shall see when it unfolds next year.  I certainly think it's healthy for the NHL to have some great teams and there are many more than just those.  Boston, Anaheim, San Jose, Carolina, NJ, Philly -- there is some real parity showing in these days of salary cap.  This is not just a Wings/Pens show coming up again.

As for the Joe and it's fans, my brother traveled to see the Pens play in the 1st round v Philly and last in your barn.  Interesting comment he made to me after game 5 in MoTown when I asked how the Wings fans were v the Flyers fans  -- he said not much difference.  Both sets of fans were as they rude to the visiting Pens fans as they thought they could get away with.  He was pretty surprised by that in Detroit.

So please Wings fans who are snarking, barking and looking under every rock & stone for even the smallest of slights by the latest Stanley Cup finals winners -- there is always next year.  As for the Pens and their fans, this will be a very nice summer.  Very nice.   I mean really, in the last 5 months our city's teams have hoisted the Stanley Cup and a Super Bowl trophy.  Pittsburgh.  City of Champions.

GO PITTSBURGH!

My post wasn'twritten with the intent to inflame anyone here.  If you can't stand a little ribbing, too bad.  Where in my last post or any of the ones I put on here in regards to the playoffs did I say the Wings were the best team.  If the Pens had to wait last year, and I'm not to sure they did,other than the normal wait for the Wings to celebrate, the Captain of the Wings shook hands with as many as he could, he didn't skate around waiting for the majority of the Pens to leave the ice as my neighbor who was 6 rows up from the celebration says, along with several others I know who were at the game.  I looked all my posts over and haven't found any mention of Sindy being a cheap shot.  He IS a great hockey player and he will be a force for years to come.  But since you brought cheap shots up.....according to the paper here in Detroit, Lidstroms "lower body injury" was in fact the result of a spear to the testicles resulting in an operation to same.  Drapers "upper body" injury was torn cartilidge in the throat due to a high stick to same.  Malkins' butt end of the stick to Clearys' face wasn't a cheap shot?  Plenty of cheap shots to go around but I can't accuse Sindy of one as he was pretty non existent for the most part.  The Wings callups, Abdelcator and Helm had more points then the "leagues best player".  And as you say, there is always next year and if Washington can improve on a few things, my money says that Ovechkin and crew will be the ones in the playoff finals, not the Pens just as I expect Chicago to be there, not Detroit.

Ben....I guess I expect the Captain of a team that just won the toughest trophy in sports to win,to act like the Captain, not an immature 21 year old. He should have made damn sure he was at the head of the line, shaking every single Wings hand.  There will be alot of time to celebrate with his team mates in the coming months.  When he learns what the "C" means, then I will give him the respect he is due.

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This just keeps getting better!  Now the Pens are responsible for the cheap-shots resulting in injury to 2 Wings players (I'll concede Malkin's stickwork).  Brilliant!  No need to tell the truth and be honest about the injuries to Lidstrom and Draper (both of whom were injured in the Hawks series prior to playing the Pens).  This is the Wings whining at its best!  Maybe Sidney should be held accountable for Patrick Sharp (Hawks) spearing Lidstrom in the sack...after all, he did show up late for the handshake so he obviously is the devil himself.

Keep it coming Detroit!  You are making it apparent just how much you deserve(d) Millen and the Lions!

And on a side note, I didn't even have a dog in this fight.  My team sucked so bad that the playoffs were a dream this year.  But it blows my mind how the whimpering little Wings fans react to being flat outplayed and outcoached.

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Dave Rose

OK Black Lab,

I'm a Wings fan. The Pens played damn good, they deserved the cup. I think the Wings shoulda, coulda, woulda. It was like they didn't show up to play the last 2 games. Part of it was the players, the Wings definately made some bone head plays. The Pens played great, for 7 games. I think part of it was coaching. The Pens found a way to beat them and the Wings couldn't / didn't adjust.

I'm sure if if the Wings won, there would be Pens fans making excuses, etc, etc, I think it's human nature. It was a tough loss for Detroit, for all of MI for that matter. Quite frankly it would have been a bright spot for a state that's sucking left hind tit in a hard way.

SINDY was completely shut down by the Wings and quite frankly came across and a snot nose punk, imo.

And regarding this comment

I'm glad the city of Detroit and the state of MI didn't get a championship.  Wings fans don't deserve it.  Wings fans deserve to sign Hossa for another few years.

You're an ass wipe.

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You're right Dave...that last comment by me was a cheap shot.  NO CITY deserves the Lions.

But some of your bretheren fans will chalk that cheap shot up to Crosby somehow.

And for the record, there wasn't a lot of whining in Pitt last year at this time.  There was plenty of praise for a damn good team in Detroit.  Too bad that isn't reciprocated.

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Admittedly, I was taken aback by comments from some of the Wings fans about the Pens and their Captain.  The surprise to me came within the UJ -- thought we were all trying to be open-minded and rerspectful.  If this were a "hockey" site instead, I can see how it would be easy to take the low road and unleash the hounds.

There is no team I would rather the Pens beat than the Wings.  Why?  Because they are the best team in the NHL, they are a great organization, they have a great Captain, they are talented and tough, a very nice combination that few other teams can boast.  The Wings are built for play-offs from the netminder to the coach to the trainers to the 3rd and 4th lines to infinity.  By beating this team, even in a narrowly won contest, this says to me the Pens can one day be considered in the same sentence if they continue on this path.  I love the Pen's org and what it stands for as much as the Rooney family on down with the Steelers.  

BTW, I am huge fan of the state of MI.  With many friends and family there, having vactioned there numerous times, have hunted in MI many more times than that, I can say that I only wish Michiganders well from the UP to the Ohio border.  I bet I could show some of you from MI some very nice places in your own backyard.

So go have fun with Crosby et al.  Help yourselves.  What you write in here says enough about you.  Guess SOME of you Wings fans have won so long and often that maybe you don't recall how to be gracious in a loss?

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Rugerdog

Watching this thread unfold since Friday, I agree with some, disagree with a lot.

The only thing I would like to comment on, and submit for discussion is this: The idea that games 6 and 7 were monumental, great games. I must be missing something. I found games 6 and 7, and 5 for that matter, wholly boring. Am I crazy?

I was thinking Friday, that all eyes would be on the NHL. The ratings that came out proved that out. I was hoping for a great game, that might lure fans in. Maybe folks thought it was great, and I hope they come back. It is my opinion however that the last 3 games of the series did little to convince the casual fan (like me).

Game 7 was largely played at center ice, had very few scoring chances, and was no real test to either goaltender. Again, all my opinion.

Once again I fear that this hockey fan will not be tuning in again until April 2010. Unless somehow, the Leafs improve...See you in April!

Congratulations Jeff! You are a true fan, and I am happy for you!

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calgaryrookie
I cheered on the Pens for no other reason than the hope that they could rub Hossa's nose in it. I get it if you leave a cellar dwelling team for a shot at the cup, but to leave a cup finalist and use that as an excuse, what a slap to your former team and team mates. I wonder what sort of comments he heard from Pen players as they went by him shaking hands.  Maybe nothing. Maybe all he saw were smirks. Hope he enjoys his reduced salary and NO cup.

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Ben Hong

Let's tack a bit of a different direction and recap the whole of playoffs in general.

- to me this year's playoffs were the best I have seen in a long time...in my case a very long time.

-the real playoffs did not start until the second round, after the also-rans and faint hope teams were given their chance.

-the best series of all was the Pens/Caps series. We were blessed to see so much great YOUNG talent on one ice surface at the same time.

-the second best series was Wings/Ducks.

-the team to watch as a rival for Pits. and Washington are the Chihawks. In Toews-Kane, they too have a dynamic duo to match Crosby-Malkin, Ovechkin-Semin, Datsyuk-Zetterberg. Hoo boy! hockey will be great in the next 5 or so years.

-Detroit was not at its best as they had a few key bodies on the limp.

-If the Wings had won, Osgood would have won the Smythe Trophy. The last game was not his best, nor was it the whole team's.

- Regardless of how you feel about him Crosby is the face of the NHL and will be so for the next decade. Handshake or no, he exudes leadership.

-the grinders shone in every series. BRAVO to the lunch bucket brigades of every team.

Like one of you mentioned, the Stanley Cup IS the hardest trophy to win of any sport.

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DennyB

You're right Dave...that last comment by me was a cheap shot.  NO CITY deserves the Lions.

But some of your bretheren fans will chalk that cheap shot up to Crosby somehow.

And for the record, there wasn't a lot of whining in Pitt last year at this time.  There was plenty of praise for a damn good team in Detroit.  Too bad that isn't reciprocated.

Oh really?  No blasting of the Wings or their fans last year?

Somehow I doubt it.  And I do believe that those of us who are Wings fans have acknowledged that the Pens deserved the cup.  

Jeff88  On a personal note, I never said anything negative towards anyone here and never would and I doubt very seriously that you or anyone else can judge a person by a couple of sports related posts on a web site or without ever having met that person and know something about his/hers background.  Perhaps that says quite a lot about you if you chose to do so.

Ben....yes, the pairings on several teams make the coming season something to look forward to.  I do wish however that Bettman changes the scheduling for next years playoffs so that he doesn't go head to head with the NBA finals as he did this year.  I know he is doing all he can to promote the game and to try to attract more people to its fan base but that move was not in the best interest of hockey.  And forgive my constant harping on Crosby as the poster boy but I would think that promoting a single player is detremental also.  The fans in Chicago have their dynamic duo as does Washington like you mentioned along with excellant players on all the teams.  Do you not think that those people get tired of hearing Crosbys name when they have players of their own who they believe to be superior without ever hearing of them by the league?  I truly think Bettman has put Crosby in a unwinable situation that he didn't deserve and may have not wanted and I actually feel bad for the young man.   It has become a love him or hate him thing and those non Pen/Crosby fans understandably choose the later.

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Jeff88  On a personal note, I never said anything negative towards anyone here and never would and I doubt very seriously that you or anyone else can judge a person by a couple of sports related posts on a web site or without ever having met that person and know something about his/hers background.  Perhaps that says quite a lot about you if you chose to do so.

 And forgive my constant harping on Crosby as the poster boy but I would think that promoting a single player is detremental also.  The fans in Chicago have their dynamic duo as does Washington like you mentioned along with excellant players on all the teams.  Do you not think that those people get tired of hearing Crosbys name when they have players of their own who they believe to be superior without ever hearing of them by the league?  I truly think Bettman has put Crosby in a unwinable situation that he didn't deserve and may have not wanted and I actually feel bad for the young man.   It has become a love him or hate him thing and those non Pen/Crosby fans understandably choose the later.

DennyB, why are you taking what I wrote personally?  Did I until now mention your name?  

As for Crosby, you are correct in the sense that no one who roots for the guys on their team is going to care a whit about Crosby being or not being the "face" of hockey-- they are likely similar to you and will take umbrage that their main guy is not considered "face" material.  However, what Bettman and the marketing gurus are after is the current Non-hockey fan and trying to paint a player such as Crosby to be the "face" to those who are not already in the fold.  Many, many posts ago I specified in here that Sidney Crosby did not ask for this job.  But plainly, he's doing a pretty good job of it by winning the cup as the youngest Captain in NHL history.  Being respectful and well-spoken is a real bonus for the NHL in these days of the "me-me-me" pro athlete.  Dithering around by manufacturing slights and transgressions by this guy is a huge waste of time.  It's a done deal.  Maybe a Wing or a Hawk will come along and pick up the slack but it might not happen soon -- who is the face of the NBA since Michael J?  Lebron -- look how long that took.

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Rugerdog, I owe you a night at Primanti's.  Thanks for the kind words.  Also, yeah, games 5, 6 & 7 were not for the casual fan unless you like tight checking or a blowout.

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calgaryrookie
I do wish however that Bettman changes the scheduling for next years playoffs so that he doesn't go head to head with the NBA finals as he did this year.

Bettman doesn't need to change the dates, Stern does. His sport's playoffs were a big fizzle. :<img src=:'>

And I don't think Bettman made Crosby the "face of the NHL", people and media have given him that mantle. Some here gripe about him a bit, but come on.... look at his alleged "faults" compared to Kobe or LeBron...  Could you imagine Sid wearing a cap from another team to a Steeler's game, talking about getting out of town, or committing adultery (at least) with a hotel clerk while he's married? Hardly. Good, clean, talented, ultra-competitive Canadian boy. A little chippy? yeah, and your point is?  :laugh:

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'Rook, speaking of ratings and future of the NHL...

...interesting article on the NHL last Th or Fri in USA Today.  With the advent of HiDef on large screens becoming much more prevalent, it's much better to follow hockey on TV than ever.  The writer also mentioned that the speed of the game is much better suited to younger males who have been the main uptick in hockey viewership over the past few years.  Combining actually seeing the game/puck much better and not having to wait 20 minutes to watch the the last 5 minutes of the game (i.e., the NBA) has been a boon to NHL viewership.

My next door neighbor, a FL Panther fan, came over to watch Game 7 with my son and me and loved seeing the game for the 1st time in HiDef on a 60" size screen.  He could not believe the quality of what he saw on the ice and the ease for following the play.  The fact that we could go back over plays in slo mo was also pretty cool.

The Pgh parade produced 375,000 fans.  For a city that size, that is a huge % of the metro population.  Even in the tough years in '04/'05, there remained a strong following.  The NHL is very much alive in the 'burgh.  Now if only we could get Le Bleu imported directly in, we'd be good.

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Ben Hong
Bettman doesn't need to change the dates, Stern does. His sport's playoffs were a big fizzle. :<img src=:'>

You mean there was an NBA playoffs this year? :devil:

Seriously, every spring I look in on the NBA playoffs and enjoy a few games because I personally think that the majority of the players are fantastic athletes. In recent years, the off-court shenanigans of some of these same players have soured me on  pro basketball. I long for the days of Kareem, Walton, Russell, the Stilt, the whole Celtics team...

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gar-dog
People seem to forget... the team with the most points wins the game.  The team that wins four games in the finals wins the cup.   It is really that simple.

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