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Kansas Big Dog
This is the future of Upland Bird hunting.  This was my son's first rooster.

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Kansas Big Dog
The previous picture was taken in 2004, this picture is him hunting last season.  He is planning on at least three bird hunting trips with me this year on breaks from school.  He is not as passionate as I am about bird hunting, he likes to spend time with me, but who knows, I did not get passionate until my 30's.

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Dave Gowdey
Great pics of the kids hunting you guys.  Good on you for passing on the tradition.  Let's hope it takes, and that there are still places for them to hunt when their kids get old enough.

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bunyan
Upland bird hunting doesn't fall readily into the "standard" outdoor channel marketing ploys of slow mo kill shots, etc due to the difficulty of getting good footage in often thick cover of fast moving birds.  The exceptions being pheasant hunting and some plantation style bird hunting.  However if yo pick up a copy of any of the bird hunting or bird dog mags and look at the ads, I think that its obvious there is plenty of marketing opportunity, especially for those who want to spend the money to look the part of a country gentleman.  I'm certainly, not knocking it...if I had the wherewithall, I'd love to have a swanky walking, I mean shooting stick, a tweed wardrobe with doeskin shooting breeches, etc.  I think you get my point.  Its much more of a niche market than deer, ducks, and turkeys; all animals I love to hunt, but despise most of the merchandising surrounding it.  So I turn my back on it, go hunting my way, and try to avoid the commercialism surrounding the modern hunter as much as possible because I don't consider myself a demographic.  Hunting shouldn't be a modern industry (I know it is, but I wish it wasn't), its a primitive act thats been ritualized into what we on this board love about it, and deserves better than to be prostituted.

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Field Grade

Well said Bunyan.

As a flyfisher I really haven't bought into the whole merchandising that has gone on since 'The Movie.'

I own a few old cane rods and love to fish them (and get high sniffing the tubes) once in awhile but I'm just as happy casting a blue collar plastic rod fitted with a garage-sale Pflueger Medalist. Some of the places I fish require so much clawing up steep banks and negotiating snot-slick riverbeds that I would never bring high-ticket gear with me.

My brother fishes for steelhead in PA with these ugly nymphs he ties with white electrical tape and he's been known to slay them while the Thomas & Thomas crowd stands by in disbelief.

Can a vintage rod or fine shotgun enhance your experience in the field and even help you take more fish and game -- in the right hands, absolutely.

But a closet full of Gillum and Payne rods, or a rack of continental shotguns are only expensive affectations to the clueless duffer, even if he has enough money to buy them.

I'd rather take a battered-but-serviceable '30 or '40s hardware store gun and learn how to shoot it than be afraid to scratch a pigeon grade piece that's lived its life under glass.

Like our patron saint Hemingway says:

'But I would rather have it bent and dull and know I had to put it on the grindstone again and hammer it into shape and put a whetstone to it, and know that I had something to write about, than to have it bright and shining and nothing to say, or smooth and well-oiled in the closet, but unused.

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Kansas Big Dog
Here is another picture of my son and his friend from a few years ago.  Nasty day, spitting ice and snow, but those guys loved it, mybe some seeds have been planted.

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Kansas Big Dog
Here is one of the future of bird hunting taken about 4 years ago.  Remington could probably use this one.  My son does shoot an old 870 wingmaster that has all three barrels (IC,MOD,FULL).  Inccidentally, those are his birds.

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mshowman
These pictures made me realize something about myself. I hunt many things that don't require a dog but, without the company of a dog when I was a kid, I doubt I would still be a hunter today. The camradarie between a boy and a dog is a powerful force.

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These pictures made me realize something about myself. I hunt many things that don't require a dog but, without the company of a dog when I was a kid, I doubt I would still be a hunter today. The camradarie between a boy and a dog is a powerful force.

   Well said, very well said and very true!

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gundogpa

All the hand-wringing in the world won't really change anything.

Frankly I don't feel it's necessary to try to "save" upland hunting.

Let it die if that's to be it's fate.

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Briarscratch
Like our patron saint Hemingway says:

'But I would rather have it bent and dull and know I had to put it on the grindstone again and hammer it into shape and put a whetstone to it, and know that I had something to write about, than to have it bright and shining and nothing to say, or smooth and well-oiled in the closet, but unused.

Great quote.  No surprise he was able to define my personal philosophy so succinctly.  Not that he'd ever use a word like succinctly.

My girls like to watch hunting shows from time to time, but I choose which ones and I'm very selective.  The 6 year old got mad when I cut a pig hunting show off just before the kill shot.  She wanted to see it.  So I turned it back on. And now she asks me if we can go hunt wild pigs someday.

But "re-branding" bird hunting to be a better vehicle for marketing and product positioning?   No thanks.  Like Hemingway said...

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mshowman
The 6 year old got mad when I cut a pig hunting show off just before the kill shot.  She wanted to see it.  So I turned it back on. And now she asks me if we can go hunt wild pigs someday.

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As to Chuck's comments, I have to agree at least to some extent. I think it would be a terrible loss for potential young hunters to be deprived of the opportunity to hunt but it won't be the first long-held tradition to fall by the wayside. In my own life time I can remember being able to go outside on any winter evening and listen to coon hounds, walk the creeks and see traps set for mink and muskrat, and participate in fox drives and fox hunts with hounds. Any of those experiences would be the exception now, they're a dying breed. Sad to think but reality none the less.

I'd still like to see it postponed for as long as possible.

You should do it. It will be a good family bonding experience for daughter and dad. My daughter-in-law has been known to accompany my son hog hunting.

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Kansas Big Dog
All the hand-wringing in the world won't really change anything.

Frankly I don't feel it's necessary to try to "save" upland hunting.

Let it die if that's to be it's fate.

I agree with you completely; except for maybe different reasons.

No hand wringing needed.

I do not think we need to be saved.

Let it die, except, I do not think it will die.  I think deer and turkey hunting wiil die out before bird hunting.  There are a lot of turkey and deer hunters that just want trophies; once they get the trophy, they're done.  Bird hunting is much different, I believe that most here are very passionate about all that bird hunting envolves.  If bird hunting does die, it will not be until after those that are passionate lose their passion.  Will there be those that follow us?  I do not know, I hope so. I think what we do is valuable in many ways.

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gundogpa
All the hand-wringing in the world won't really change anything.

Frankly I don't feel it's necessary to try to "save" upland hunting.

Let it die if that's to be it's fate.

I agree with you completely; except for maybe different reasons.

No hand wringing needed.

I do not think we need to be saved.

Let it die, except, I do not think it will die.  I think deer and turkey hunting wiil die out before bird hunting.  There are a lot of turkey and deer hunters that just want trophies; once they get the trophy, they're done.  Bird hunting is much different, I believe that most here are very passionate about all that bird hunting envolves.  If bird hunting does die, it will not be until after those that are passionate lose their passion.  Will there be those that follow us?  I do not know, I hope so. I think what we do is valuable in many ways.

yeah...I don't know if it needs saving either......just thinking that efforts to save it....or more accurately preserve it in it's present state are a waste of time. It is what it is......enjoy it while it's here.

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Kansas Big Dog
All the hand-wringing in the world won't really change anything.

Frankly I don't feel it's necessary to try to "save" upland hunting.

Let it die if that's to be it's fate.

I agree with you completely; except for maybe different reasons.

No hand wringing needed.

I do not think we need to be saved.

Let it die, except, I do not think it will die.  I think deer and turkey hunting wiil die out before bird hunting.  There are a lot of turkey and deer hunters that just want trophies; once they get the trophy, they're done.  Bird hunting is much different, I believe that most here are very passionate about all that bird hunting envolves.  If bird hunting does die, it will not be until after those that are passionate lose their passion.  Will there be those that follow us?  I do not know, I hope so. I think what we do is valuable in many ways.

yeah...I don't know if it needs saving either......just thinking that efforts to save it....or more accurately preserve it in it's present state are a waste of time. It is what it is......enjoy it while it's here.

I guess I am just more optimistic:

It could possible even get better than its present state so there is no doubt I intend on enjoying it now, and into the future.

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