tricker Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 I bought all my mn licenses earlier this year the same day i bought my wisconsin ones. Saw a bunch of people at gander mountain getting theirs out of the way. Link to post Share on other sites
WindyHills Posted July 1, 2011 Author Share Posted July 1, 2011 I have been busy and out of the loop. What's going on? Craig governor wants to raise taxes the ledgislature does not so they are at a stalemate "google minn govt shut down" for story And there's a five billion (with a "b") shortfall. http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display....st-folo Governor wants some cuts and a tax hike on the top 2% to take up the slack. Legislative majority wants to make it up with only cuts. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/30/us/01minnesota.html Lots of hardline ideologues have replaced the moderate old guard and now the state is in serious trouble. Good assessment of the situation going in. Reports from media say where they ended up was a tax restoration (that's the best word for it) only on millionaires and up with a smaller level of cuts to programs and state jobs-- versus many thousands of jobs cut and steep program cuts, NO Tax increase for anyone, new abortion restrictions, expansion of gambling...etc. etc. Link to post Share on other sites
Hub Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 How do it make sense to shutdown the automated process that is the sale of hunting and fishing licenses? No need to try to make any money. Completely ridiculous. I'm an IT guy and I would bet it took more effort to shut it down that it it would have to just keep processing business as usual. Just another political tactic to rile the masses so they'll feel better about the S^%t sandwich they'll be served when the power comes back on. Link to post Share on other sites
Peent Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 How do it make sense to shutdown the automated process that is the sale of hunting and fishing licenses? No need to try to make any money. Completely ridiculous. I'm an IT guy and I would bet it took more effort to shut it down that it it would have to just keep processing business as usual. Just another political tactic to rile the masses so they'll feel better about the S^%t sandwich they'll be served when the power comes back on. It was nothing but a tactic, well planned to coincide with the 4th holiday weekend. Sorry we voted for the SOB,s and that means both parties. Link to post Share on other sites
WindyHills Posted July 1, 2011 Author Share Posted July 1, 2011 Hub as a guy that works with IT you must know that data-dependent systems can't function for long without access to the data. For liability and security reasons, state computers get shut down--literally--during a shut down. With no one there to maintain them, no one to fix a breakdown should one occur--no one there to notice a personal data theft operation in progress--no one there to even put out a fire should one start--that's the way it works. When it's operating and people are working, people are on call for emergencies and to fix such problems at night and weekends. All staff that weren't considered critical by the judge were locked out of their offices as of 4:30 pm yesterday, and no MIS staff to my knowledge were declared critical. E-mail and data access was actually ended shortly after noon yesterday. Sorry to dash any conspiracy theory.... Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Raymond Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Hub as a guy that works with IT you must know that data-dependent systems can't function for long without access to the data. For liability and security reasons, state computers get shut down--literally--during a shut down. With no one there to maintain them, no one to fix a breakdown should one occur--no one there to notice a personal data theft operation in progress--no one there to even put out a fire should one start--that's the way it works. When it's operating and people are working, people are on call for emergencies and to fix such problems at night and weekends. All staff that weren't considered critical by the judge were locked out of their offices as of 4:30 pm yesterday, and no MIS staff to my knowledge were declared critical. E-mail and data access was actually ended shortly after noon yesterday. Sorry to dash any conspiracy theory.... WH--And I thought the response was going to be there is no money to pay the data stream providers. I have to admit that as much as I understand the logic of your counter to Hub, I too wonder why a few more of the monitoring folks (I certainly don't think for a second that legislative and upper administrative cell phones would be cut off) weren't categorized as critical and more functions could have stayed in place and at least some revenue could still be flowing. It's an issue of prioritization. And, I can certainly see where the PTB controlling the place would try to twist to their advantage. It happens all the time in both the public and private sectors...lots of lemonade to be made don'tcha know. BTW, are you posting from the office or home today? ;-) Link to post Share on other sites
WindyHills Posted July 1, 2011 Author Share Posted July 1, 2011 Chris you hit on another good point--I'm not sure how far ahead the outfit in Missouri we contract online sales with has been paid for their services--but I am sure that payment stops as of July 1st. I agree with you on what is critical and what isn't--I've been in favor of more people being classified as such, but it ends up being a political game like anything else. Threats might seem like scaremongering, at least they will to honest people. Our local high school was trashed by some kids while closed down the other day, tens of thousands in damage. Security and protection isn't a big deal until it is..... Oh--and I never post here while working.... :'> Link to post Share on other sites
mn-az birds Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 I just find the whole thing sickening. I know how I'll vote the next time though. Whoever is the incumbant, Dem. or Rep. , they will be voted out. And they better not have time to approve this football stadium.........That would be an absolute travisty. Link to post Share on other sites
Tee Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Last night on the TV they showed a shot of ~200 people on the steps of our beloved Capitol, with signs raised toward the heavens, shouting; "TAX THE RICH! TAX THE RICH! TAX THE RICH! Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Raymond Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Threats might seem like scaremongering, at least they will to honest people. Oh--and I never post here while working.... :'> WH--Scaremongering...the art of creating fear, uncertainity and doubt to one's benefit. BTW, am glad to see that not all of the servers have been turned off there. ;-) Link to post Share on other sites
Peent Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 I just find the whole thing sickening. I know how I'll vote the next time though. Whoever is the incumbant, Dem. or Rep. , they will be voted out. And they better not have time to approve this football stadium.........That would be an absolute travisty. I would gladly have a stadium bill pass. It keeps the uplands empty each Sunday during October and November. If the state didn't have the Vikings we would have more competition in the woods. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 I don't think we should have to pay sales tax while the government is shut down! Link to post Share on other sites
bigjohnsd Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Wait until the end of this month and the same show will come to you from washington dc as the great debt ceiling debacle crisis accelerates to a critical mass. Whatever happened to civil discourse and compromise? Link to post Share on other sites
Chris Raymond Posted July 1, 2011 Share Posted July 1, 2011 Whatever happened to civil discourse and compromise? Maybe the latter is what got us into this problem to begin with...people with no sand looking for the compromise they know is wrong simply because it is the easy call and wins them votes to keep staying in the game. Link to post Share on other sites
Hub Posted July 2, 2011 Share Posted July 2, 2011 Hub as a guy that works with IT you must know that data-dependent systems can't function for long without access to the data. I stand by my original statement. You aren't dashing anything as far as I'm concerned. But what do I know? I've only worked the datawarehousing arena for the last 15 years as a DBA/Sysdamin/Warehouse Architect with company's holding 80 times the data that the Minnesota DNR is dealing with. Obviouslhy the MN DNR knows much better than me considering for the last 2 years they've fed the the wrong data to their bear hunting license program 3 times and sent out just as many false reports. It makes perfect sense to me that in a system that is strapped for cash the higher ups would shut down license sales on what I'm betting is probably one of the largest sales weekends of the summer. No offense intended, but I can't see how someone doesn't have their head up their plumbing on this one. Link to post Share on other sites
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