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The worst damage I ever saw to a specific spot was when Frank Jesorio gave out specific hunting information in a magazine article for popular hunting destination in West VA.

He was EXTREMELY specific.

I don't internet scout, unless specifically asking how it is and what it looks like in X area is internet scouting.

However, after taking some crap recently about "blabbing" about all of X birds in X state in an initial inquiry and later PE, even after I was very specific to say that numbers were way down from my opinion once I had been there; including on a species I don't even care to hunt, you'll not see another damn thing from me. All I ever really wanted to share was some pix of some beautiful country that just really struck me at the moment I happened to be viewing it and a couple tailgate or fence post shots almost seemed obligatory. I guess I just don't fit in someones imaginary box. Like I said, no more.

What did you expect?  Before you posted that PE SD was a secret little honey hole.  Now the place will be run over with out of state hunters.

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Interesting.  I can sympathize with opinions on all sides, which probably just makes me an indecisive wimp.  

Phred

well, i didnt SAY it, HAHAHA

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Hey guys,

For those of you who post PEs please don't stop.

I don't give a rats arse about the location. I just simply enjoy the picts and being able to imagine what it would be like especially the chukar PEs.

As for my own PEs I just hope folks who view are able to feel the moment and emotion that I am trying to capture in the pict in their own way. I don't think I have any secrete spots as someone has usually already been there. But I do keep quiet. :)

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Even worse that internet scouting is finding a friend hunting an area that you showed him the year before and he didn't even ask you to go with.  It's happened to me a few times and that killed the friendship built over years. I know that we don't own coverts and they belong to the public but it steams my a$$ when someone does this. Kind of like a cheating wife, I have no use for em!

I've been shown many coverts over the years by locals and guides and I would never think of hunting them unless I was asked to go again by the person that showed it to me.

This is the motto I live by.

"Character; It's what you do when nobodies watching"

But that's just me.

Virgil

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Ah Bruce

I've always said "Joke em if they can't take a ****."

Words to live by  :devil:

X10000000.....

BTW if anyone is intrested in GPS #'s to my favorite covers... (the obama cover and the porta potty cover) please send me a PM

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North Dakota Hntr
[you'll not see another damn thing from me. All I ever really wanted to share was some pix of some beautiful country that just really struck me at the moment I happened to be viewing it and a couple tailgate or fence post shots almost seemed obligatory. I guess I just don't fit in someones imaginary box. Like I said, no more.

Ignore them!! (It can be difficult at times I know) :( .Don't let them ruin it for the rest of us. Just cause they're paranoid doesn't mean everybody isn't hunting there spots. :<img src=:'>

I agree that one shouldn't be too specific sometimes. I have even gone so far as to PM a couple of members when they mention a specific town, posting about areas that I also hunt. I just kindly asked them to be a little more vague about where they were at but to please continue reporting and posting pics. Both were great guys and I hope to hunt with them someday.

Craig

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If it's on wikipedia it must be true:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule_(Internet_culture)

I'd be curious to know the ratio for UJ although it's probably impossible to calculate.  As a member I can choose to browse the forum logged in or anonmously.

That's a very interesting estimate.  I wonder if hunting sites are anywhere near that ratio.  Even 10 to 1 would seem like a lot.

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Ah Bruce

I've always said "Joke em if they can't take a ****."

Words to live by  :devil:

X10000000.....

BTW if anyone is intrested in GPS #'s to my favorite covers... (the obama cover and the porta potty cover) please send me a PM

+me.

I really enjoy posting pictures of my hunts and also enjoy looking at the hunts of others. That said, I try hard not to give anything way, especially around home where there are only two coverts, and 1.3 birds, anyways. When I head up to X-X or out to #$3 I am especially careful not to give anything obvious away. I'd hate to ruin anything for the locals that I have become friends with.

Please keep the PEs coming.

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Even worse that internet scouting is finding a friend hunting an area that you showed him the year before and he didn't even ask you to go with.  It's happened to me a few times and that killed the friendship built over years. I know that we don't own coverts and they belong to the public but it steams my a$$ when someone does this. Kind of like a cheating wife, I have no use for em!

I've been shown many coverts over the years by locals and guides and I would never think of hunting them unless I was asked to go again by the person that showed it to me.

This is the motto I live by.

"Character; It's what you do when nobodies watching"

But that's just me.

Virgil

This is why I don't show anyone a spot I wouldn't want hunting there. If I take you, it's now yours, too. If you take me, I will assume it to be mine, too. If I don't think you're worthy, I won't take you. If you don't want me hitting the spot, don't take me. No unexpected, surprising behavior this way.

But I will question your definition of character. What kind of a friend holds back info from a friend who has the same interest, or worse, the same passion? If I didn't share my hunting spots with my friends, who are bird hunting fanatics too, what kind of character would I be displaying. Bird hunting friends are friends because of bird hunting.

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I've been in the business of "hot spotting" now for going on ten years.

:oops:

Whether it was trying to convince paying hunters and anglers to visit our plantation over other properties’ in South Georgia, or since moving out here to Montana and writing fishing-reports on the major rivers' while trying to book trips with our Outfitter at the fly shop; ...it’s what I do for a living and I won’t apologize for it.

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...Now here on UJ and/or my Blog (with the exception of posting about major rivers that are fishing well); I have somewhat been more guarded in my Photo Essay's since we last visited this topic sometime back.

I read some of the concerns native Montana birdhunters had posted, and respecting their valid arguments; I decided to limit my sharing of specific regions, towns nearby, and took pictures in a way that looked too general to Montana; that unless they'd already been there, there's little chance anyone could discern an exact location.

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I too of course, get a fair share of PM's from guys coming out to visit Montana, but keep it in general terms and offer valid advice as best I can, but rarely share exact locations; unless I think we might meet up and hunt together while they're here.

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I like others on here have also had a nasty PM or two since then about ‘being too specific’, but I just told them where to go – used to such things as I am; having been pissing people off' long before I ever discovered UJ.

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So rest assured, I’ll not be internet bullied into no longer posting PE’s here, plus you can always find a weekly one on my Blog; hot spotting the Great state of Montana...

In fact, I just did a few minutes ago …

Moe Bird Hunts

Moe :D

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But I will question your definition of character. What kind of a friend holds back info from a friend who has the same interest, or worse, the same passion? If I didn't share my hunting spots with my friends, who are bird hunting fanatics too, what kind of character would I be displaying. Bird hunting friends are friends because of bird hunting.

This is my definition of character.

This picture was taken by a gentleman that offered to take me out hunting because I bought my dog from him, he is also a guide for bird hunting. He asked me to go to pose in this spot so that he could take the picture. I said "how about I move over about 5 feet so that the road marker isn't in the picture?" I'm sure that the gentleman didn't care about the road marker even though it would have been a dead giveaway as to where we were hunting but I did care. I didn't feel it fair to be advertising spots where this guy makes a living. And you will never find me hunting those spots again UNLESS he asks me to go back with him even though I have hunted this area for over 40 years and know it like the back of my hand because they are his spots not mine. I enjoyed this guy taking me to his spots and they were great, much better than my spots but I have my own  a few miles away.

Characer; it's what you do when nobodies watching.

The meaning is simple but some people don't understand it. It's the code I live by but that's just me.

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Virgil

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For once I can say I'm glad I bird hunt in Ohio.  At least I don't have to worry about the place being overrun.  And no landmarks to recognize either.
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But I will question your definition of character. What kind of a friend holds back info from a friend who has the same interest, or worse, the same passion? If I didn't share my hunting spots with my friends, who are bird hunting fanatics too, what kind of character would I be displaying. Bird hunting friends are friends because of bird hunting.

This is my definition of character.

This picture was taken by a gentleman that offered to take me out hunting because I bought my dog from him, he is also a guide for bird hunting. He asked me to go to pose in this spot so that he could take the picture. I said "how about I move over about 5 feet so that the road marker isn't in the picture?" I'm sure that the gentleman didn't care about the road marker even though it would have been a dead giveaway as to where we were hunting but I did care. I didn't feel it fair to be advertising spots where this guy makes a living. And you will never find me hunting those spots again UNLESS he asks me to go back with him even though I have hunted this area for over 40 years and know it like the back of my hand because they are his spots not mine. I enjoyed this guy taking me to his spots and they were great, much better than my spots but I have my own  a few miles away.

It's the code I live by but that's just me.

Virgil

Virgil, it is simple, and if that's how you wish to live, good for you.

From where I'm sitting it looks like you are justifying our selfishness in keeping your coverts to yourself, with your discipline in not visiting others you've been shown.

My philosophy is 100% opposite of yours, as stated in the portion of my position which you didn't quote. It's simple, too. Perhaps even easier than yours. If I show you, it's yours. If you show me, it's mine. This way I'll never be disappointed when I find empty shot shells in my coverts. If someone isn't comfortable with this they can hunt with someone else.

But you still haven't answered my query. What character is shown in holding back on your "friends"?  What kind of character is shown in open generosity between friends?

Nice pic. That beagle looks a little long legged, though. :p

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