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  1. 1. Climate Change

    • Is human caused.
      Is human caused.
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      Is human caused.
    • Is not occurring.
      Is human caused.
    • The Jury is still out (your undecided?)
      Is human caused.
    • Is a left wing conspiracy?
      Is human caused.
    • All science is a left wing conspiracy?
      Is human caused.


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How much greed does it take to kill a planet?

History show's it has taken down great societies, maybe this time we'll go for the whole enchilada.

Drill baby drill...

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How much greed does it take to kill a planet?

History show's it has taken down great societies, maybe this time we'll go for the whole enchilada.

Drill baby drill...

Nice job there, Lefty.  :cool:

Can't talk right now though, gotta go watch "Clean coal" ads on the tube.  Too !@#%'in hot to do anything outside.  Montana has plenty of that there clean coal -- SCREW the polar bears I say.

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Nice job there, Lefty.

There's no higher conservative value than taking care of the best things in our world for the next generation.  I think it's late in his "Reflections on the Revolution in France" where Burke characterizes society as a partnership broadly conceived to include past, present, and future generations.

Call me a conservative on this one.

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I will only point out one thing that always comes up in this conversation--this has to be talked about as climate change, NOT climate warming, and this distinction is important because as the overall climate warms, that actually can lead to some areas getting colder, and some warmer.  

As an example, my thesis in school was about atmospheric nitrogen deposition in a high-altitude area in the colorado front range.  Part of this involved looking at weather trends over a long period of time.  That area has one of the longest-running sets of data for high-elevation climate in the world, and it is very close to another set of data that is in the lowlands, making it a great place to compare.  We found looking at 50-odd years of data that as the average temperatures and average number of days per year above freezing in the lowlands increased, there was a corresponding decrease at high elevation...increased temps at low elevation lead to drier conditions there (increased evapotranspiration of any moisture), which condensed and created increased clouds over the nearby mountains (and therefore less sun/lower temps and more precip), which caused an increase in the % of yearly precip that fell as snow.  

This is merely one example, but I wanted to point it out because the inevitable "it was so cold and we got so much snow, therefore global warming can't be real" comment is surely coming up pretty soon.  In this case, overall warming in the region led to cooling in a specific area within that region.  Changes in one area create a domino effect that can lead to unexpeted changes in other areas, it is by no means a simple system and cannot be viewed or characterized in a simple manner.

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Lefty!  That's funny.  (read light hearted)

I'm pretty sure greed is well embeded in the left and the right!

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It's the Daylight Savings Time that is to blame.  That extra hour of daylight at the end of every day is heating everything up.  We didnt' have this problem until they started messing with the daily amount of sunlight.

Think about it.

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I like it. Cave men discovered fire and , with the help of wooly mammoth flatulence, the last ice age ended. That was good thing, no?
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This is merely one example, but I wanted to point it out because the inevitable "it was so cold and we got so much snow, therefore global warming can't be real" comment is surely coming up pretty soon.  

And we never hear the inevitable "It's been so hot it must be global warming".

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Naw, I am not getting into this one. Jeeze if good ole Tim Frazier  can be slagged as a lefty in one nano second, just think of what could happen to me!! :ghostface:  

OTOH, I love being a lefty, pinko, commie, socialist Canuck :p  :p so save yourself the name calling.

Just go ask the Inuit peoples, they have far more at stake than all of us here do.

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I haven't seen or heard any convincing evidence of global warming/climate change that reflects the conversation in recent years. I believe that the system is much too big and complex to come to the proposed conclusions.

Generally--it can be argued that we have been cooling since the ice age, but with many peaks and valleys. As far as man made contribution to climate change either way--cool or hot. Again, I think its too big and one heck of a filter.

I think the system has been stabilizing since the last catastrophe. Or perhaps long ago stabilized and the 'changes' we seem to see are caused by factors in the system from solar flares to ocean floor changes and all in between.

I am convinced that most of the rhetoric is agenda driven. I think this is inevitable.

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