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I love it when Amurricans have "serious" discussions!

Back to the topic at hand, please tell me where does your "right" to do as you wish in the confines of your car begin and my "right" to further enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness end?

Do Kanuckians have any similar restrictions to cell phone use while driving? And is there an equivalent in the Constitution of Canada to the US Declaration of a independence where it references life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Just curious.

I believe Ontario has not talking while driving, or at least they did a few years back when I was there the last time.  Looks like I may have to make another trip there next week so I will find out.  

Barna

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I love it when Amurricans have "serious" discussions!

Back to the topic at hand, please tell me where does your "right" to do as you wish in the confines of your car begin and my "right" to further enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness end?

THAT, my friend, is the million dollar question!!

 Carry the libertarian idea to the extreme and you'd have no stop signs or red lights, no jay walking laws, machine guns in gun cabinets, etc. etc.

Carry it to the other extreme and you'll have cameras everywhere watching everything you, and very little personal freedom. You may be a bit safer, but is it worth the price in personal freedom?

Smarter people than I will have to wrestle with these questions.

Ah, but this is precisely why the 10th Amendment exists.  It grants the individual states, and the people, the sovereignty to strike that balance for themselves.

Regardless of whether this law is effective or not, it's as American as apple pie  :unclesam:  

RI

Questioning the effectiveness of the law is the duty of  every citizens and should happen more often.  The idiot politicians make enough laws worthless laws as it is, if we give them free reign they will have your daily lives all planned out step by step.  We just got rid of red light cameras here in Columbus OH, it was a bad law and a scam on top of that.  The company that made the cameras were giving kick back to the politicians that made the law.  This has actually gone nationwide not just Columbus.    

 I seem to remember you (and others) questioning and voicing your great displeasure at the chance of the states gaining control of the federal lands.  How that this not fall under the states’ rights?  

How about the no Sunday hunting in certain states?  How many think it’s a bad law and should be changed?  

I am not suggesting to not follow the law, and if I ever have to drive through NH I will, but it is an ineffective law just because the people who behave irresponsibly while driving will continue to do so with other things than cell phones.  

Here is new one, on the way to work the other day, I look over to the car next to me and see a cat warped around a ladies neck.  The cat must have covered t least 60% of her visibility to the drives side.  This was on the highway and she was cruising at 70mph.  I can talk on the cell phone but some cat lady can have her cat around her neck while driving?!!!   This is why it’s not effective, because you can’t fix stupid.  

Barna

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I love it when Amurricans have "serious" discussions!

Back to the topic at hand, please tell me where does your "right" to do as you wish in the confines of your car begin and my "right" to further enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness end?

THAT, my friend, is the million dollar question!!

 Carry the libertarian idea to the extreme and you'd have no stop signs or red lights, no jay walking laws, machine guns in gun cabinets, etc. etc.

Carry it to the other extreme and you'll have cameras everywhere watching everything you, and very little personal freedom. You may be a bit safer, but is it worth the price in personal freedom?

Smarter people than I will have to wrestle with these questions.

Ah, but this is precisely why the 10th Amendment exists.  It grants the individual states, and the people, the sovereignty to strike that balance for themselves.

Regardless of whether this law is effective or not, it's as American as apple pie  :unclesam:  

RI

Questioning the effectiveness of the law is the duty of  every citizens and should happen more often.  The idiot politicians make enough laws worthless laws as it is, if we give them free reign they will have your daily lives all planned out step by step.  We just got rid of red light cameras here in Columbus OH, it was a bad law and a scam on top of that.  The company that made the cameras were giving kick back to the politicians that made the law.  This has actually gone nationwide not just Columbus.    

 I seem to remember you (and others) questioning and voicing your great displeasure at the chance of the states gaining control of the federal lands.  How that this not fall under the states’ rights?  

How about the no Sunday hunting in certain states?  How many think it’s a bad law and should be changed?  

I am not suggesting to not follow the law, and if I ever have to drive through NH I will, but it is an ineffective law just because the people who behave irresponsibly while driving will continue to do so with other things than cell phones.  

Here is new one, on the way to work the other day, I look over to the car next to me and see a cat warped around a ladies neck.  The cat must have covered t least 60% of her visibility to the drives side.  This was on the highway and she was cruising at 70mph.  I can talk on the cell phone but some cat lady can have her cat around her neck while driving?!!!   This is why it’s not effective, because you can’t fix stupid.  

Barna

It seems like you are arguing for more restrictions?

As far as effectiveness - a google search showed similar California law impact was a reported a reduction in traffic deaths of 22% and a drop of 47% in number of deaths amongst drivers using hand held phones....

That seems better than "ineffective".

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RI fully embraces and respects the No Sunday hunting law in ME. It's as American as apple pie.
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Barna,  old friend. We have known of each other for 13 years and over those years we have seen many a great discussion at this venue that Mr. Eden has kindly and bravely provided. You have always propounded your arguments wisely and doggedly, but this time you are not on the side of the angels. :D  :laugh:  :<img src=:'>
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How about the no Sunday hunting in certain states?  How many think it’s a bad law and should be changed?  

I'm opposed to no Sunday hunting and I've voiced that opinion numerous times here.  If I had enough time and gumption I'd work proactively to change it, but in the meantime I'd certainly be supportive of others efforts to do so.  That doesn't mean I don't think the state has a right to enforce no Sunday hunting or that it somehow infringes on my god-given right to hunt whenever I well please; I just think its an incredibly stupid thing to do and if I decide to exercise my right to live elsewhere it will be on the short list of reasons why.

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