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It can get very real. Which is awesome.                    

A .308 Win bolt gun topped with a Leupold VX3 2.5-8 pretty much checks all the boxes.

You could get everything you need as far as advice and experience right here. Just ask away.

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The three most important things

 

1. Time in the field

2. Patience

3. Your scent/wind direction

 

There is a trillion deer hunting gadgets out there to get lost in. Time in the woods and patience to sit in the woods will trump them all though. 

 

Good luck

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1 hour ago, cajunl said:

The three most important things

 

1. Time in the field

2. Patience

3. Your scent/wind direction

 

There is a trillion deer hunting gadgets out there to get lost in. Time in the woods and patience to sit in the woods will trump them all though. 

 

Good luck

That's good ^. Thinking back most critters I've brought to bag, be it Upland birds, deer or wild turkey were taken because I knew the lay of the land. Had scouted, had walked it, had hunted it, had figured it out. Woodsmanship generally.

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3 hours ago, Dogwood said:

I aspire to be a one gun big game hunter; primarily deer, occasional antelope, and maybe maybe maybe an elk.  It would be nice to practice without getting the snot kicked out of my shoulder.  So I gather, not unlike shotguns, for a given caliber one can vary the bullet weight/shot charge relative to the gun weight for different game etc etc?  I am not interested in reloading at all, so an ample supply of various factory loads would be a consideration also.  

In that regard include scope recommendations please.  Specific rifle make/model/scope combos very welcome! Used/new whatever. Own a Model 52 Japanese repro 22 with a Leupold scope fwiw; hefty rifle-like, very accurate, real purty.

Given the needs you mentioned, something like Brad's pet 7mm-08 would fit the bill nicely. Also the 308. Could add the 270 win. And 6.5 creedmoor. A couple of the 30-06's I've owned were suprisingly hard kickers so I'd leave them out.  I'm a big fan of the 25-06 but you need a good bullet if you want to shoot an elk ( Nosler partition or Barnes). If I wasn't a reloader I'd probably pick something else. And when I know I'm going after elk I take my 7mm.

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Since you mentioned elk 7mm Mag would be a good choice. Pretty much good for all north american big game. They kick but when shooting at game you really don't notice any recoil. Flat shooter - good choice for Antelope. Mine has seen success on White tail, Black bear & Antelope. To be perfectly honest a 30-06 can do it all also.  Any 3-9 scope ~ Leupold & up . JMHO

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3 hours ago, Birdcountry70 said:

Given the needs you mentioned, something like Brad's pet 7mm-08 would fit the bill nicely. Also the 308. Could add the 270 win.    

 

Ok, so of say these 3, what are the reasons one picks a given caliber over the other etc?

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7mm-08 Remington Core-Lokt PSP 140 grain on left

270 WIN Hornady American Whitetail InterLock 130 grain on right.

(I think a .308 is similar in size to the 7mm-08)

 

Seems size might matter for an animal the size of an Elk?

(I'm not a rifle crank, just use what has planted Whitetail consistently)

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5 hours ago, Dogwood said:

 

Ok, so of say these 3, what are the reasons one picks a given caliber over the other etc?

 

The only reason one might be better than the others might be if you travel a lot and forget your shells .308 win would probably be the easiest to find in some backwoods hardware store

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5 hours ago, Brad Eden said:

IMG_1018.JPG

 

7mm-08 Remington Core-Lokt PSP 140 grain on left

270 WIN Hornady American Whitetail InterLock 130 grain on right.

(I think a .308 is similar in size to the 7mm-08)

 

Seems size might matter for an animal the size of an Elk?

(I'm not a rifle crank, just use what has planted Whitetail consistently)

 

The .308Win is the parent case to the 7mm-08, .308 case necked down to 7mm (.284), so they are very similar in length. I believe the 7mm-08 is  just a skosh longer than the .308. 

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9 hours ago, Dogwood said:

 

Ok, so of say these 3, what are the reasons one picks a given caliber over the other etc?

There is more ballistic and reloading data available for the .308 than any other cartridge.  It is inherently accurate.  It is a short action.  

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18 hours ago, Dogwood said:

 

Ok, so of say these 3, what are the reasons one picks a given caliber over the other etc?

Well, any of these would work perfectly, and there are a bunch of others too. In 32 years of hunting I have yet to ever forget my ammo or run out during a hunt so if we don't limit ourselves to the calibers that you can find ammo for at every little hardware store we open up to a pile of options like 280 rem, 25-06, 7x57, 6.5 Swede. I've probably left some good ones out.  After that it might just come down to how much you weight each of the needs you have listed.  I no longer think I need a fast 30 caliber for deer and I always find myself leaning towards the less common stuff for reasons that I probably can't really explain so I gravitated to the 25-06 and 7mm-08 in recent years. I do reload so factory ammo availability and price is not something I consider. If I flew to hunt I might lean towards more common ammo but I've honestly never pulled a trigger outside of Montana. For some reason I love shooting big bore handguns but I'm a wimp when it comes to rifle recoil. I can't shoot hard kickers nearly as accurately.

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Shorter cartridges like 308,7mm-08,243 can be used in a slightly smaller, short action rifle where as slightly longer cartridges like 30-06,280,270,25-06 require a long action rifle. This seems to be important to some. I can't see where it matters unless you want an AR platform semi auto which would require a short action cartridge to work. For bolt action guns you might add a couple of ounces with a long action but among brands and designs ,weights of SA and LA guns overlap quite a bit.

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11 minutes ago, Birdcountry70 said:

Shorter cartridges like 308,7mm-08,243 can be used in a slightly smaller, short action rifle where as slightly longer cartridges like 30-06,280,270,25-06 require a long action rifle. This seems to be important to some. I can't see where it matters unless you want an AR platform semi auto which would require a short action cartridge to work. For bolt action guns you might add a couple of ounces with a long action but among brands and designs ,weights of SA and LA guns overlap quite a bit.

But the short actions can be lighter and the bolt throw shorter with quicker follow up shots.  From what I’ve heard anyway.  I’ve never owned a long action.

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