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3 hours ago, caleb said:

Thanks for posting @WI Outdoor Nut.  It's helpful to see the survey.

 

Question 5 primes the respondent with language about an emergency and West Nile, as well as uses the consultation with other states for legitimacy.  It's essentially making a subtle argument for the closure directly before asking about it.  That influences the result.

 

I'd still like to see the data in order to know what the 67% support for closure that @Wisconsin mentions means.  Is it 67% of all respondents?  67% who hunted grouse?  67% of those who hunted grouse in January?  67% of those who hunted grouse in January and would "miss it more than all of your other interests" (Question 7)?  We don't know.

 

We also don't know the sample size or response rate.

 

But, to an even larger point, using a public opinion survey to determine (or justify) a season closure seems like a bad idea.  I could pretty easily concoct a survey showing that a large majority of the public supports the elimination of trapping.  Should we do it?  Likewise, with shorter or longer deer seasons, or antlerless permits, or slot limits.  Wildlife management by public opinion survey undermines genuine expertise among wildlife managers, as well as screens them from responsibility for policies and their outcomes.  This sure seems like the "phone a friend" version of wildlife management: I'm not really sure what to do; I don't want to look like a fool guessing on my own; I'll ask the public so at least I'm not all alone if it goes badly.

Caleb - with all of your questions, I would reach out to the WI DNR.  I have found, you need to do some digging, but the information is available.  Then, if you like, bring what you find to the public if that is your agenda.  Let me know if you need some help with names, I have worked with most of the grouse biologist. 

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Now they can sit back and relax without ever having to spend the time, effort, and money it will require to actually so something about the problem.

No, in my opinion it doesn't. What shortening seasons will do is cause some dedicated grouse hunters to lose interest in the sport and in spending their time and money to help the birds they love to h

I buy a Wisconsin license every year.  I did not get a survey.  Did they only survey residents?   Also, is this survey publicly available?  I'm not even sure how they'd know who hunted grous

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On 10/18/2019 at 8:35 AM, caleb said:

Thanks for posting @WI Outdoor Nut.  It's helpful to see the survey.

 

Question 5 primes the respondent with language about an emergency and West Nile, as well as uses the consultation with other states for legitimacy.  It's essentially making a subtle argument for the closure directly before asking about it.  That influences the result.

 

I'd still like to see the data in order to know what the 67% support for closure that @Wisconsin mentions means.  Is it 67% of all respondents?  67% who hunted grouse?  67% of those who hunted grouse in January?  67% of those who hunted grouse in January and would "miss it more than all of your other interests" (Question 7)?  We don't know.

 

We also don't know the sample size or response rate.

 

But, to an even larger point, using a public opinion survey to determine (or justify) a season closure seems like a bad idea.  I could pretty easily concoct a survey showing that a large majority of the public supports the elimination of trapping.  Should we do it?  Likewise, with shorter or longer deer seasons, or antlerless permits, or slot limits.  Wildlife management by public opinion survey undermines genuine expertise among wildlife managers, as well as screens them from responsibility for policies and their outcomes.  This sure seems like the "phone a friend" version of wildlife management: I'm not really sure what to do; I don't want to look like a fool guessing on my own; I'll ask the public so at least I'm not all alone if it goes badly.

Caleb for much of Wisconsin's DNR history area meetings were held all across the state and afterward the feedback received from the general public had quite a bit of influence on policies. It was well though of and voters were not very happy when Gov.Tommy Thompson changed policy and removed public authority to a large extent

from the public. Unfortunately that change made in Thompson's last term, opened the door for big money's influence to get a bigger hold on directing how natural resources

would be handled. That made quite a few of the average rank and file sportsmen less than thrilled.

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